Comments on: The World is Flat http://itredux.com/2006/02/27/the-world-is-flat/ New Rules for a New IT World Sat, 10 Dec 2011 03:24:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ray http://itredux.com/2006/02/27/the-world-is-flat/comment-page-1/#comment-30606 Ray Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:28:50 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/02/27/the-world-is-flat/#comment-30606 Flattner 4. Open-sourcing I know company's shouldn't leave themselves with only open source software, they should have another altnative and closed-source could be that altnative. Flattner #5. Outsourcing Now days company's go outside to hire with contractor's doing the work of there employees use to do. Sometime I think they spend more money for hiring outside then just to train there own people to do the job. If you already have competent personell to do the job, then I'm for it. Sometimes it just goes down to some of the details of retirement and benefits that they don't want to pay, to there employees. <a href="http://www.gpseyes4u.com" rel="nofollow">GPS Advanced Vehicle Tracking</a> Flattner 4. Open-sourcing
I know company’s shouldn’t leave themselves with only open source software, they should have another altnative and closed-source could be that altnative.

Flattner #5. Outsourcing
Now days company’s go outside to hire with contractor’s doing the work of there employees use to do. Sometime I think they spend more money for hiring outside then just to train there own people to do the job. If you already have competent personell to do the job, then I’m for it. Sometimes it just goes down to some of the details of retirement and benefits that they don’t want to pay, to there employees.

GPS Advanced Vehicle Tracking

]]> By: Jeff Zwelling http://itredux.com/2006/02/27/the-world-is-flat/comment-page-1/#comment-1263 Jeff Zwelling Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:16:49 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/02/27/the-world-is-flat/#comment-1263 I just got back from the First IT|Redux breakfast and it was excellent. Learned a lot about outsourcing tactics and might actually re-consider working with an off-shore team. Ismael asked the group what they thought the 11th Flattener is... I suggest the following: Instant feedback loops. As entrepreneurs, not only are we able to deploy faster, cheaper and broader, but because of the instant feedback loops now available, we are able to know what works within days if not minutes of release. There's all kinds of feedback loops that exist today that didn't exist even two years ago. For example, pay-per-click advertising is being used not only as a customer acquisition channel but a test bed for new ideas, value propositions and even product development priororities. Digg and Del.ico.us provide statistically significant votes (or lack thereof) of what users find interesting (or not). Session based analytics, which is the ability to see what a single user is doing with your software tells you instantly what is working for them or not. Reverse lookup IP addresses show you which companies are evaluating you. International visitors try new features in the middle of the night during "off-hour" deployments and sometimes break them before the US wakes up - giving you enough time to fix and redeploy. This compression of time has profound implications. The cost of getting it right goes down and more importantly, we can more rapidly evolve into successful enterprises. I just got back from the First IT|Redux breakfast and it was excellent. Learned a lot about outsourcing tactics and might actually re-consider working with an off-shore team.

Ismael asked the group what they thought the 11th Flattener is… I suggest the following: Instant feedback loops. As entrepreneurs, not only are we able to deploy faster, cheaper and broader, but because of the instant feedback loops now available, we are able to know what works within days if not minutes of release.

There’s all kinds of feedback loops that exist today that didn’t exist even two years ago. For example, pay-per-click advertising is being used not only as a customer acquisition channel but a test bed for new ideas, value propositions and even product development priororities. Digg and Del.ico.us provide statistically significant votes (or lack thereof) of what users find interesting (or not). Session based analytics, which is the ability to see what a single user is doing with your software tells you instantly what is working for them or not. Reverse lookup IP addresses show you which companies are evaluating you. International visitors try new features in the middle of the night during “off-hour” deployments and sometimes break them before the US wakes up - giving you enough time to fix and redeploy.

This compression of time has profound implications. The cost of getting it right goes down and more importantly, we can more rapidly evolve into successful enterprises.

]]> By: Lee Provoost http://itredux.com/2006/02/27/the-world-is-flat/comment-page-1/#comment-741 Lee Provoost Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:24:14 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/02/27/the-world-is-flat/#comment-741 [...] I recently had a discussion with Ismael Ghalimi from IT|Redux about the difference between his company (Intalio) and Cordys. They both develop SOA software, but the former does it open source, the latter closed source. They both seem to do quite well, so I asked him what the major difference is now between the companies and if open source is that great, why is a company as Cordys making then money? You can find our discussion here. One of the models that open source companies often adopt is called the “demand driven development”. This comes down to the fact that you let several customers pay for a new feature and they get the feature lets say 4 months of 6 months before the open source community. You can find more about this here. [...] […] I recently had a discussion with Ismael Ghalimi from IT|Redux about the difference between his company (Intalio) and Cordys. They both develop SOA software, but the former does it open source, the latter closed source. They both seem to do quite well, so I asked him what the major difference is now between the companies and if open source is that great, why is a company as Cordys making then money? You can find our discussion here. One of the models that open source companies often adopt is called the “demand driven development”. This comes down to the fact that you let several customers pay for a new feature and they get the feature lets say 4 months of 6 months before the open source community. You can find more about this here. […]

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/02/27/the-world-is-flat/comment-page-1/#comment-532 Ismael Ghalimi Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:47:05 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/02/27/the-world-is-flat/#comment-532 Lee, Here are some answers to your questions: Flattener #4: Open-Sourcing Cordys has a good product, but companies such as Intalio are developing Open Source alternatives that have similar features and are sold to customers through an incremental pricing model. Sooner or later, customers will demand the Open Source model from their vendors, and closed-source vendors such as Cordys will have to follow suit, or they'll just disappear. Flattener #5: Outsourcing & Flattener #6: Offshoring We found the overhead to be manageable and its cost to be less than the savings we made going offshore. We also found the flexibility we get in being able to increase the size of our offshore team on a month notice to be a huge benefit, especially with respect to the implementation of our Demand Driven Development model. Flattener #7: Supply-Chaining HP would be a good candidate indeed. Flattener #9: In-forming I would contend that the perception you have of Open Source is a little bit dated. Companies such as JBoss have demonstrated that you can get world-class support for Open Source projects, and most JBoss customers will happily tell you that the support they receive from JBoss is far superior to the support they could get from BEA or IBM. I tend to agree with them. Lee,

Here are some answers to your questions:

Flattener #4: Open-Sourcing
Cordys has a good product, but companies such as Intalio are developing Open Source alternatives that have similar features and are sold to customers through an incremental pricing model. Sooner or later, customers will demand the Open Source model from their vendors, and closed-source vendors such as Cordys will have to follow suit, or they’ll just disappear.

Flattener #5: Outsourcing & Flattener #6: Offshoring
We found the overhead to be manageable and its cost to be less than the savings we made going offshore. We also found the flexibility we get in being able to increase the size of our offshore team on a month notice to be a huge benefit, especially with respect to the implementation of our Demand Driven Development model.

Flattener #7: Supply-Chaining
HP would be a good candidate indeed.

Flattener #9: In-forming
I would contend that the perception you have of Open Source is a little bit dated. Companies such as JBoss have demonstrated that you can get world-class support for Open Source projects, and most JBoss customers will happily tell you that the support they receive from JBoss is far superior to the support they could get from BEA or IBM. I tend to agree with them.

]]> By: Lee Provoost http://itredux.com/2006/02/27/the-world-is-flat/comment-page-1/#comment-486 Lee Provoost Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:15:45 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/02/27/the-world-is-flat/#comment-486 Sounds like a must-read book! Here are some comments: Flattener #4: Open-Sourcing I think that it is interesting to compare Intalio with <a href="http://www.cordys.com/">Cordys</a>. For my master's thesis, I've been looking a bit at Cordys as well and they seem to fish in the same pool as Intalio does, but they work differently. They have budget to go to CeBIT and organize expensive IDC seminars, they work with closed source software, they do less outsourcing (I assume)... And from what I see, the company seems to do quite well. Am I missing the point here? Flattener #5: Outsourcing & Flattener #6: Offshoring It is a well-known economic principle to outsource and offshore as much as possible and to focus on your key business, but doesn't this create a tremendous lot of overhead? I mean, the advantage you gain with outsourcing and offshoring, does it compensate the overhead of managing and keeping track of everything? Would Intalio's corporate model also be applicable for large companies, like IBM for example? Flattener #7: Supply-Chaining A possible solution could be to cooperate with HP. They have the hardware and can handle the volume. The only thing that could be of a problem is that certain business interests are overlapping and competing... But on the other hand, it fits better in the outsourcing principle of Intalio. Flattener #9: In-forming I think that's a problem of lot of (commercial) open source companies. Even with a huge budget for advertising, open source still has the stigma of "not as good as commercial software for support" I think. Therefore, reach the developers that introduce the technology inside the company. With the efforts of Intalio in the open source community this shouldn't be much of a problem. I think we still need some years before the generation of students that worked with open source and are used to it are in senior management positions :-) Sounds like a must-read book! Here are some comments:

Flattener #4: Open-Sourcing
I think that it is interesting to compare Intalio with Cordys. For my master’s thesis, I’ve been looking a bit at Cordys as well and they seem to fish in the same pool as Intalio does, but they work differently. They have budget to go to CeBIT and organize expensive IDC seminars, they work with closed source software, they do less outsourcing (I assume)… And from what I see, the company seems to do quite well. Am I missing the point here?

Flattener #5: Outsourcing & Flattener #6: Offshoring
It is a well-known economic principle to outsource and offshore as much as possible and to focus on your key business, but doesn’t this create a tremendous lot of overhead? I mean, the advantage you gain with outsourcing and offshoring, does it compensate the overhead of managing and keeping track of everything? Would Intalio’s corporate model also be applicable for large companies, like IBM for example?

Flattener #7: Supply-Chaining
A possible solution could be to cooperate with HP. They have the hardware and can handle the volume. The only thing that could be of a problem is that certain business interests are overlapping and competing… But on the other hand, it fits better in the outsourcing principle of Intalio.

Flattener #9: In-forming
I think that’s a problem of lot of (commercial) open source companies. Even with a huge budget for advertising, open source still has the stigma of “not as good as commercial software for support” I think. Therefore, reach the developers that introduce the technology inside the company. With the efforts of Intalio in the open source community this shouldn’t be much of a problem. I think we still need some years before the generation of students that worked with open source and are used to it are in senior management positions :-)

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