Comments on: Why BPEL Matters http://itredux.com/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/ New Rules for a New IT World Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:42:55 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-68335 Ismael Ghalimi Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:20:05 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/#comment-68335 Josue, Thanks for the kind words on our training. Regarding XPDL, there are a couple reasons why we do not support it. First, we got virtually no demand from customers for it. Second, contrary to what XPDL's promoters are claiming, XPDL largely overlaps with BPEL, but is not as clean a specification, and does not have the traction in the industry that BPEL has. As a result, we have decided to support BPEL, and to implement human workflow on top of it, using the BPEL4People model. We believe it's a much better architecture, and one that is compatible with what IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, and SAP are doing today. Best regards -Ismael Josue,

Thanks for the kind words on our training.

Regarding XPDL, there are a couple reasons why we do not support it. First, we got virtually no demand from customers for it. Second, contrary to what XPDL’s promoters are claiming, XPDL largely overlaps with BPEL, but is not as clean a specification, and does not have the traction in the industry that BPEL has. As a result, we have decided to support BPEL, and to implement human workflow on top of it, using the BPEL4People model. We believe it’s a much better architecture, and one that is compatible with what IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, and SAP are doing today.

Best regards
 -Ismael

]]> By: Josue Freitas http://itredux.com/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-68261 Josue Freitas Sun, 15 Apr 2007 06:32:43 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/#comment-68261 Ismael, It's very nice to reach you again. I am writing this time because I found this post, and would like to know why you guys from Intalio have not supported XPDL as a file format intented to represent BPDs, the actual work of business people, and let them choose not only the BPEL engine but also the BPMN designer. I would like very much to hear from you on this subject. If you have not done this before, please let me know! You are doing a great job at Intalio. I've attented the trainning with Jacques, and it was very rewarding. Thanks in advance and good luck! Ismael,

It’s very nice to reach you again. I am writing this time because I found this post, and would like to know why you guys from Intalio have not supported XPDL as a file format intented to represent BPDs, the actual work of business people, and let them choose not only the BPEL engine but also the BPMN designer. I would like very much to hear from you on this subject. If you have not done this before, please let me know! You are doing a great job at Intalio. I’ve attented the trainning with Jacques, and it was very rewarding.

Thanks in advance and good luck!

]]> By: inside http://itredux.com/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-57835 inside Mon, 19 Mar 2007 04:40:53 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/#comment-57835 I am sorry... I am sorry…

]]> By: IT|Redux » Oracle Embraces BPM 2.0 Model http://itredux.com/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-7836 IT|Redux » Oracle Embraces BPM 2.0 Model Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:37:17 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/#comment-7836 [...] Yesterday, Oracle announced a partnership with IDS Scheer, adding the ARIS platform to Oracle’s BPM offering. From an industry standards prospective, this deals means that Oracle now supports both BPMN and BPEL, which are the cornerstones for the BPM 2.0 model. [...] […] Yesterday, Oracle announced a partnership with IDS Scheer, adding the ARIS platform to Oracle’s BPM offering. From an industry standards prospective, this deals means that Oracle now supports both BPMN and BPEL, which are the cornerstones for the BPM 2.0 model. […]

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-1304 Ismael Ghalimi Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:41:07 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/#comment-1304 ESE, No problem, my English is not perfect either. ESE,

No problem, my English is not perfect either.

]]> By: ESE http://itredux.com/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-1302 ESE Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:19:35 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/#comment-1302 Good! I will expect the post anxiously. Note: My English is not very good, so my comments seem a bit agressive sometimes. It's not my intent though. Good! I will expect the post anxiously. Note: My English is not very good, so my comments seem a bit agressive sometimes. It’s not my intent though.

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-1295 Ismael Ghalimi Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:33:55 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/#comment-1295 ESE, I agree with you, we need to explain why BPEL is needed. Granted, it's the standard, but why do we need it at the first place? Well, the short answer is that you need a way to describe the flow between the JSP/JSF pages you're referring to, as well as a mechanism to tie them back to some back-end system, and that is what BPEL does. The longer answer will come in the form of a dedicated post. ESE,

I agree with you, we need to explain why BPEL is needed. Granted, it’s the standard, but why do we need it at the first place? Well, the short answer is that you need a way to describe the flow between the JSP/JSF pages you’re referring to, as well as a mechanism to tie them back to some back-end system, and that is what BPEL does. The longer answer will come in the form of a dedicated post.

]]> By: ESE http://itredux.com/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-1292 ESE Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:54:07 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/04/10/why-bpel-matters/#comment-1292 Great post, but I think it's too much conventional. You're talking about BPEL as being the best for BPM, but do we really need BPEL? What about performance and implementation issues? Why not link JSP/JSF after JSP/JSF until reaching the end of the process? So I would like to read a post like "why a BPEL-based BPM matters"... Seriously, great post, great blog. I'm an inconditional (but recent) fan. Thanks for your posts. Great post, but I think it’s too much conventional. You’re talking about BPEL as being the best for BPM, but do we really need BPEL? What about performance and implementation issues? Why not link JSP/JSF after JSP/JSF until reaching the end of the process? So I would like to read a post like “why a BPEL-based BPM matters”… Seriously, great post, great blog. I’m an inconditional (but recent) fan. Thanks for your posts.

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