Comments on: Making BPM Sound Cool Again http://itredux.com/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-cool-again/ New Rules for a New IT World Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:34:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: BPMS Watch http://itredux.com/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-cool-again/#comment-4755 BPMS Watch Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:30:36 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-again/#comment-4755 [...] One of the trends I detected at the Brainstorm BPM Conference in San Francisco this week is an effort to make BPM more engaging to users via Web 2.0 and Ajax. This dovetails with Ismael’s suggestions about how to make BPM cool again. [...] […] One of the trends I detected at the Brainstorm BPM Conference in San Francisco this week is an effort to make BPM more engaging to users via Web 2.0 and Ajax. This dovetails with Ismael’s suggestions about how to make BPM cool again. […]

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-cool-again/#comment-2451 Ismael Ghalimi Mon, 22 May 2006 17:57:20 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-again/#comment-2451 Howard, I won't give up, I'm a believer. Sorry... Howard,

I won’t give up, I’m a believer. Sorry…

]]> By: Howard Smith http://itredux.com/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-cool-again/#comment-2446 Howard Smith Mon, 22 May 2006 14:55:50 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-again/#comment-2446 BPM is a business discipline. It does not have to be cool, even if it can be supported by a BPMS toolset. SOA is just CORBA reborn, which might be cool to the tech industry. It is not cool to business people, just confusing. When will the tech industry learn this lesson? As for "mash-ups", that just a name for a PROCESS, which a BPMS can do very well. Does that make a BPMS cool again? No. Only things with sexy names like mash-ups can be cool, especially if they are vaguely defined. Give up on the idea that BPM must be cool again. BPM is a business discipline. It does not have to be cool, even if it can be supported by a BPMS toolset. SOA is just CORBA reborn, which might be cool to the tech industry. It is not cool to business people, just confusing. When will the tech industry learn this lesson? As for “mash-ups”, that just a name for a PROCESS, which a BPMS can do very well. Does that make a BPMS cool again? No. Only things with sexy names like mash-ups can be cool, especially if they are vaguely defined. Give up on the idea that BPM must be cool again.

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-cool-again/#comment-2287 Ismael Ghalimi Wed, 17 May 2006 18:36:54 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-again/#comment-2287 Sandy, I agree with you, EAI and enterprise mashups are not the same and represent both ends of a wide spectrum today. Nevertheless, I tend to believe that technologies supporting enterprise mashups will slowly but surely evolve toward a solid Service Oriented Architecture, and I expect both to be indistinguishable down the road. How long it will take is just a matter of personal faith. Much the same happened for SOA by the way: the first version of XML-RPC was a joke compared to IIOP five or six years ago. Then came SOAP and WSDL, soon followed by a host of Web Services specifications that together provide a much more solid foundation than CORBA ever managed to offer. Simplicity early on in the adoption process is what makes it work in the end. Sandy,

I agree with you, EAI and enterprise mashups are not the same and represent both ends of a wide spectrum today. Nevertheless, I tend to believe that technologies supporting enterprise mashups will slowly but surely evolve toward a solid Service Oriented Architecture, and I expect both to be indistinguishable down the road. How long it will take is just a matter of personal faith.

Much the same happened for SOA by the way: the first version of XML-RPC was a joke compared to IIOP five or six years ago. Then came SOAP and WSDL, soon followed by a host of Web Services specifications that together provide a much more solid foundation than CORBA ever managed to offer.

Simplicity early on in the adoption process is what makes it work in the end.

]]> By: Sandy Kemsley http://itredux.com/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-cool-again/#comment-2286 Sandy Kemsley Wed, 17 May 2006 18:26:12 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-again/#comment-2286 It's more than just words: although mashups and EAI are both in the integration space, they're at the opposite ends of the spectrum. Mashups are purely web-based, and often pay little or no heed to standards, although many are starting to use microformats within HTML pages to aid in parsing the data. All of the mashups that I've seen combined data from multiple third-party sources and present it to a user for interaction. EAI, on the other hand (or SOA or web services or whatever else that you want to put at that end of the spectrum) is much more likely to be standards-based as we move towards SOAP and other web services standards for interfacing applications (including wrapping legacy applications) within an enterprise, and often is a pure system-to-system exchange of data. Yes, they're both integration, but you can't just glibly replace the word "EAI" with "mashup" and expect to be taken seriously. It’s more than just words: although mashups and EAI are both in the integration space, they’re at the opposite ends of the spectrum. Mashups are purely web-based, and often pay little or no heed to standards, although many are starting to use microformats within HTML pages to aid in parsing the data. All of the mashups that I’ve seen combined data from multiple third-party sources and present it to a user for interaction. EAI, on the other hand (or SOA or web services or whatever else that you want to put at that end of the spectrum) is much more likely to be standards-based as we move towards SOAP and other web services standards for interfacing applications (including wrapping legacy applications) within an enterprise, and often is a pure system-to-system exchange of data.

Yes, they’re both integration, but you can’t just glibly replace the word “EAI” with “mashup” and expect to be taken seriously.

]]> By: Phil Gilbert http://itredux.com/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-cool-again/#comment-2261 Phil Gilbert Wed, 17 May 2006 03:40:20 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/05/14/making-bpm-sound-again/#comment-2261 <strong>"Hey, that Salieri guy's Google numbers are way up! Mozart must suck."...</strong> What it must have been like when instant gratification wasn't so instant... I have been trying to find the exact quote that's attributed to Bill Gates about how technology always takes longer to catch on than you first expect, ... “Hey, that Salieri guy’s Google numbers are way up! Mozart must suck.”…

What it must have been like when instant gratification wasn’t so instant… I have been trying to find the exact quote that’s attributed to Bill Gates about how technology always takes longer to catch on than you first expect, …

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