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	<title>Comments on: Enabling ITIL with BPM 2.0</title>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/05/30/enabling-itil-with-bpm-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3231</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucas,

Indeed, that would be a very good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucas,</p>
<p>Indeed, that would be a very good&nbsp;idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas RodrÃ­guez Cervera</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/05/30/enabling-itil-with-bpm-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3229</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas RodrÃ­guez Cervera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ITIL templates could be the first ones to be uploaded to your &lt;a href=&quot;http://itredux.com/blog/2006/02/16/pilgrimage-to-sebastopol/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;repository&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <span class="caps">ITIL</span> templates could be the first ones to be uploaded to your&nbsp;<a href="http://itredux.com/blog/2006/02/16/pilgrimage-to-sebastopol/" rel="nofollow">repository</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodrigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodrigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Process and ITIL go together. No question. But this is an environment where pretty complete specialized product suites are playing. I&#039;d be interested in what is the disatisfaction customers have with the suites for the big 4 infrastructure vendors. My blog on one aspect of ITIL is at &lt;a href=&quot;http://servicecatalogs.typepad.com/&quot;&gt;servicecatalogs.typepad.com&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Process and <span class="caps">ITIL</span> go together. No question. But this is an environment where pretty complete specialized product suites are playing. I&#8217;d be interested in what is the disatisfaction customers have with the suites for the big 4 infrastructure vendors. My blog on one aspect of <span class="caps">ITIL</span> is at&nbsp;<a href="http://servicecatalogs.typepad.com/">servicecatalogs.typepad.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomoaki Sawada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomoaki Sawada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 00:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismael,

You are right on the hot issue of customers facing the challenge to meet with compliance requirements, i.e. SOx compliance. More often than not, I talk with customers (usually CIOs) about compliance. Often they ask the question about how to implement ITIL processes in much easier ways to cope with the pressure of meeting SOx requirements. Your apporach will shed some light on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismael,</p>
<p>You are right on the hot issue of customers facing the challenge to meet with compliance requirements, i.e. SOx compliance. More often than not, I talk with customers (usually CIOs) about compliance. Often they ask the question about how to implement <span class="caps">ITIL</span> processes in much easier ways to cope with the pressure of meeting SOx requirements. Your apporach will shed some light on this&nbsp;issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McClure</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/05/30/enabling-itil-with-bpm-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3129</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ismael talks about how clients are asking for more content out of the box from their BPM vendors. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Ismael talks about how clients are asking for more content out of the box from their <span class="caps">BPM</span> vendors.&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/05/30/enabling-itil-with-bpm-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3122</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis,

I agree with all three points, and I would certainly not want to focus Intalio on ITIL only. As indicated before, we will get started by developing a set of templates. If customers want more and find a way to get it deployed within their organizations, we will do more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis,</p>
<p>I agree with all three points, and I would certainly not want to focus Intalio on <span class="caps">ITIL</span> only. As indicated before, we will get started by developing a set of templates. If customers want more and find a way to get it deployed within their organizations, we will do&nbsp;more.</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/05/30/enabling-itil-with-bpm-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3121</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

We will share more information as soon as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>We will share more information as soon as&nbsp;possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis D. McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis D. McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismael -

Having spent some time promoting automated processes within IT departments as a software-supported service, I agree with the value of focusing on ITIL. I&#039;m eager to find out more about this work you are doing.

My experience with U.S. IT departments, though, is:

(a) Process automation within IT is frequently shuffled into the PMO with a resulting focus on administrative features. This can be good -- or bad.

(b) Justifying BPM within the IT department brings you up against the &quot;shoemaker&#039;s children&quot; irony, i.e., IT is more accustomed to helping business units automate processes than its own processes, 

(c) Purely administrative processes (e.g., those related to HR, hiring and firing, etc.) usually need to integrate with existing ERP-based and other &quot;best practices processes&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismael&nbsp;-</p>
<p>Having spent some time promoting automated processes within <span class="caps">IT</span> departments as a software-supported service, I agree with the value of focusing on <span class="caps">ITIL</span>. I&#8217;m eager to find out more about this work you are&nbsp;doing.</p>
<p>My experience with <span class="caps">U.S.</span> <span class="caps">IT</span> departments, though,&nbsp;is:</p>
<p>(a) Process automation within <span class="caps">IT</span> is frequently shuffled into the <span class="caps">PMO</span> with a resulting focus on administrative features. This can be good&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;or&nbsp;bad.</p>
<p>(b) Justifying <span class="caps">BPM</span> within the <span class="caps">IT</span> department brings you up against the &#8220;shoemaker&#8217;s children&#8221; irony, i.e., <span class="caps">IT</span> is more accustomed to helping business units automate processes than its own&nbsp;processes, </p>
<p>(c) Purely administrative processes (e.g., those related to <span class="caps">HR</span>, hiring and firing, etc.) usually need to integrate with existing <span class="caps">ERP</span>-based and other &#8220;best practices&nbsp;processes&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: James  Governor</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/05/30/enabling-itil-with-bpm-20/comment-page-1/#comment-3111</link>
		<dc:creator>James  Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VERY VERY interesting. can we talk to references? Would like to hear more -- right on Ismael -- the ITIL wave is huge, but too much IT process automation is proprietary. Could be an opportunity to refocus on flip to SAP...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="caps">VERY</span> <span class="caps">VERY</span> interesting. can we talk to references? Would like to hear more&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;right on Ismael&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the <span class="caps">ITIL</span> wave is huge, but too much <span class="caps">IT</span> process automation is proprietary. Could be an opportunity to refocus on flip to&nbsp;<span class="caps">SAP</span>&#8230;</p>
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