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		<title>By: car play mat</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/06/04/mashup-fragility/comment-page-1/#comment-60735</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/06/04/mashup-fragility/comment-page-1/#comment-3298</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right. Maybe self-help needs to be taken a step ahead. Let the users at the edge make their own mashups. Take away the &#039;hack&#039; part of it and suddenly you have interested users giving themselves mashup capabilities that end up saving the millions in sourcing costs or helping them get products out faster or such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right. Maybe self-help needs to be taken a step ahead. Let the users at the edge make their own mashups. Take away the &#8216;hack&#8217; part of it and suddenly you have interested users giving themselves mashup capabilities that end up saving the millions in sourcing costs or helping them get products out faster or&nbsp;such.</p>
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		<title>By: Assaf Arkin</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/06/04/mashup-fragility/comment-page-1/#comment-3294</link>
		<dc:creator>Assaf Arkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see enterprises creating a culture of mashup creation in their community and gaining from that. Thereâ€™s a subtle difference which also answers your first question: the size of the market can be as little as one.

Say youâ€™re building chips for use in cell phones. The size of your direct market are companies that make these phones, you can count them on one hand. But your community is made of your employees, your customersâ€™ employees, your suppliers, your outsourcing partners, your consultants, etc.

If you can make them more productive, get new products out faster, cut down development cycle, find cheaper sources, predict market trends, youâ€™re ahead of the game.

The traditional approach to integration (EAI, portals, application servers) came out of client-server but ended up being the new mainframe. It takes too long to get anything done.

We need to bring back the PC running Lotus 1-2-3. That way users at the edge can self-help themselves to something better. Maybe youâ€™re creating a mashup that only two people use, and itâ€™s a horrible hack done in a day, but it could end up saving millions in sourcing materials at lower cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see enterprises creating a culture of mashup creation in their community and gaining from that. Thereâ€™s a subtle difference which also answers your first question: the size of the market can be as little as&nbsp;one.</p>
<p>Say youâ€™re building chips for use in cell phones. The size of your direct market are companies that make these phones, you can count them on one hand. But your community is made of your employees, your customersâ€™ employees, your suppliers, your outsourcing partners, your consultants,&nbsp;etc.</p>
<p>If you can make them more productive, get new products out faster, cut down development cycle, find cheaper sources, predict market trends, youâ€™re ahead of the&nbsp;game.</p>
<p>The traditional approach to integration (<span class="caps">EAI</span>, portals, application servers) came out of client-server but ended up being the new mainframe. It takes too long to get anything&nbsp;done.</p>
<p>We need to bring back the <span class="caps">PC</span> running Lotus 1-2-3. That way users at the edge can self-help themselves to something better. Maybe youâ€™re creating a mashup that only two people use, and itâ€™s a horrible hack done in a day, but it could end up saving millions in sourcing materials at lower&nbsp;cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/06/04/mashup-fragility/comment-page-1/#comment-3286</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting conversation gentlemen. Assaf, I like your rationale behind Enterprises needing more mashups. What do you think is the size of the market for these quick Enterprise mashups? Do you see Enterprises creating a culture of mashup creation across their communities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting conversation gentlemen. Assaf, I like your rationale behind Enterprises needing more mashups. What do you think is the size of the market for these quick Enterprise mashups? Do you see Enterprises creating a culture of mashup creation across their&nbsp;communities?</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/06/04/mashup-fragility/comment-page-1/#comment-3207</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you call them Enterprise Mashups then, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you call them Enterprise Mashups then,&nbsp;right?</p>
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		<title>By: Assaf Arkin</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/06/04/mashup-fragility/comment-page-1/#comment-3206</link>
		<dc:creator>Assaf Arkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bias is showing. I think mashups are great because theyâ€™re simple to build, easy to use and cheap to own. And that just means you donâ€™t have to worry too much about piping and infrastructure. Enterprises need more mashups, not less.
 
Itâ€™s the 80/20 rule, think Excel instead of nine fives. Sometimes you absolutely need all these features, cost aside. But most of the time, you want something lighter with less barriers to entry.

Thereâ€™s clearly a place for provisioning and redundancy and end-to-end management. But thereâ€™s also a place for rapidly building new things. If you can rapidly build it, you can rapidly change it. And if you can rapidly change it, you can rapidly improve on it.

Sometimes you improve because something broke, most often because something better comes along. Instead of optimizing for â€œwhat if it breaks?â€ youâ€™re optimizing for â€œwhat if I want to change it?â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bias is showing. I think mashups are great because theyâ€™re simple to build, easy to use and cheap to own. And that just means you donâ€™t have to worry too much about piping and infrastructure. Enterprises need more mashups, not&nbsp;less.</p>
<p>Itâ€™s the 80/20 rule, think Excel instead of nine fives. Sometimes you absolutely need all these features, cost aside. But most of the time, you want something lighter with less barriers to&nbsp;entry.</p>
<p>Thereâ€™s clearly a place for provisioning and redundancy and end-to-end management. But thereâ€™s also a place for rapidly building new things. If you can rapidly build it, you can rapidly change it. And if you can rapidly change it, you can rapidly improve on&nbsp;it.</p>
<p>Sometimes you improve because something broke, most often because something better comes along. Instead of optimizing for â€œwhat if it breaks?â€ youâ€™re optimizing for â€œwhat if I want to change&nbsp;it?â€</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/06/04/mashup-fragility/comment-page-1/#comment-3205</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assaf,

It is. I just would like a catchier name for it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assaf,</p>
<p>It is. I just would like a catchier name for&nbsp;it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Assaf Arkin</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/06/04/mashup-fragility/comment-page-1/#comment-3203</link>
		<dc:creator>Assaf Arkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then you have to start with a definition of production ready, state the expected QoS and work backwards from that.

Letâ€™s say you need five nine uptime and have a five year roadmap for your application. Choosing replication assumes redundancy, and while you get redundancy with stock quotes and weather reports, you donâ€™t get that with eBay listings or Amazon reviews. Those are single source. If they go out of business, change their API or simply decide to block you, your application goes down. You need some sort of agreement.

Letâ€™s say you want a badge on your corporate Web site, and you found the right one. But it bothers you when it disappears because their ISP is down. Should you cache?
 
Now, what would happen if they decided to change their color scheme to flaming red and put ads for p*rn sites? You might want to get the data instead, store it locally, and then render it yourself.

Isn&#039;t that service integration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then you have to start with a definition of production ready, state the expected QoS and work backwards from&nbsp;that.</p>
<p>Letâ€™s say you need five nine uptime and have a five year roadmap for your application. Choosing replication assumes redundancy, and while you get redundancy with stock quotes and weather reports, you donâ€™t get that with eBay listings or Amazon reviews. Those are single source. If they go out of business, change their <span class="caps">API</span> or simply decide to block you, your application goes down. You need some sort of&nbsp;agreement.</p>
<p>Letâ€™s say you want a badge on your corporate Web site, and you found the right one. But it bothers you when it disappears because their <span class="caps">ISP</span> is down. Should you&nbsp;cache?</p>
<p>Now, what would happen if they decided to change their color scheme to flaming red and put ads for p*rn sites? You might want to get the data instead, store it locally, and then render it&nbsp;yourself.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that service&nbsp;integration?</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/06/04/mashup-fragility/comment-page-1/#comment-3195</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assaf,

I agree with the analysis, and the term mashup might not be appropriate for what I am describing. Composite application might be better suited, even though it usually relates to something else. I need a term for production-ready mashups. Any idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assaf,</p>
<p>I agree with the analysis, and the term mashup might not be appropriate for what I am describing. Composite application might be better suited, even though it usually relates to something else. I need a term for production-ready mashups. Any&nbsp;idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Assaf Arkin</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2006/06/04/mashup-fragility/comment-page-1/#comment-3187</link>
		<dc:creator>Assaf Arkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mashups donâ€™t have SLA, service governance, or fail-back policies, so theyâ€™re not reliable for time critical applications.

But thatâ€™s exacly what makes them better, cheaper and faster. Most applications are just not that time critical, people are very adept at routing around failure, and things that are simple to build are also simple to fix.

So instead of dealing with plumbing, you just deal with end-user needs. And they keep the cost low, most of the good ones are weekend hacks.

Trying to fix mashups would end up breaking them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mashups donâ€™t have <span class="caps">SLA</span>, service governance, or fail-back policies, so theyâ€™re not reliable for time critical&nbsp;applications.</p>
<p>But thatâ€™s exacly what makes them better, cheaper and faster. Most applications are just not that time critical, people are very adept at routing around failure, and things that are simple to build are also simple to&nbsp;fix.</p>
<p>So instead of dealing with plumbing, you just deal with end-user needs. And they keep the cost low, most of the good ones are weekend&nbsp;hacks.</p>
<p>Trying to fix mashups would end up breaking&nbsp;them.</p>
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