Comments on: IBM Embraces BPM 2.0 Model http://itredux.com/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/ New Rules for a New IT World Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:32:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-9089 Ismael Ghalimi Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:32:07 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-9089 Clayton, I could not agree more. This is the vision. By the way, Alfresco will be at the <a href="http://www.office20con.com/" rel="nofollow">Office 2.0 Conference</a>, so I expect interesting discussions to be held along these lines during the event. Clayton,

I could not agree more. This is the vision. By the way, Alfresco will be at the Office 2.0 Conference, so I expect interesting discussions to be held along these lines during the event.

]]> By: Clayton Costa http://itredux.com/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-9087 Clayton Costa Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:17:18 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-9087 Yep... I'd like to see a combination of Intalio & Alfresco as a "human-centric" BPM suite. Combined with XForms and Office 2.0, it would be a real killer infrastructure to create new applications -- and customize current ones. Yep… I’d like to see a combination of Intalio & Alfresco as a “human-centric” BPM suite. Combined with XForms and Office 2.0, it would be a real killer infrastructure to create new applications — and customize current ones.

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-8075 Ismael Ghalimi Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:12:12 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-8075 Edwin, Good points. I think both approaches would be very valuable indeed. Edwin,

Good points. I think both approaches would be very valuable indeed.

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-8074 Ismael Ghalimi Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:10:34 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-8074 Alexander, We very well might. <a href="http://www.alfresco.com/" rel="nofollow">Alfresco</a> would be another interesting candidate. Alexander,

We very well might. Alfresco would be another interesting candidate.

]]> By: Edwin Khodabakchian http://itredux.com/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-8069 Edwin Khodabakchian Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:24:57 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-8069 ECM can bring value to customers even if it not BPEL/BPMN compliant. This is a smart move because documents and content management are important aspects of modern business processes. I think that the question in not how much BPEL and BPMN they can integrate, as much as how much Wiki, ATOM and Office 2.0 they can integrate. ECM can remain BPEL-less, and simply integrated using service interfaces. ECM can bring value to customers even if it not BPEL/BPMN compliant. This is a smart move because documents and content management are important aspects of modern business processes. I think that the question in not how much BPEL and BPMN they can integrate, as much as how much Wiki, ATOM and Office 2.0 they can integrate. ECM can remain BPEL-less, and simply integrated using service interfaces.

]]> By: Alexander Samarin http://itredux.com/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-7938 Alexander Samarin Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:26:17 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-7938 This buying confirms real life experience in implementation of enterprise systems -- you need three basic technologies: BPM (executable processes), SOA (standard-based integration), and ECM (human and document parts of the business). Obviously, Lotus Notes was too weak for ECM. Maybe Intalio will team-up with <a href="http://www.plone.org/">Plone</a> for example? -AS This buying confirms real life experience in implementation of enterprise systems — you need three basic technologies: BPM (executable processes), SOA (standard-based integration), and ECM (human and document parts of the business). Obviously, Lotus Notes was too weak for ECM.

Maybe Intalio will team-up with Plone for example?

-AS

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-7878 Ismael Ghalimi Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:00:50 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-7878 Trevor, I think it brings BPM and SOA together, while helping clarify the market, through massive consolidation. One should never underestimate IBM's ability to execute on this front. If the way the application server market evolved over the past five years is any indication, I would say that IBM's prospects for BPM are pretty bright. And the adoption of standards -- BPMN and BPEL among them -- will play a key role in this, hence my post. Trevor,

I think it brings BPM and SOA together, while helping clarify the market, through massive consolidation. One should never underestimate IBM’s ability to execute on this front. If the way the application server market evolved over the past five years is any indication, I would say that IBM’s prospects for BPM are pretty bright. And the adoption of standards — BPMN and BPEL among them — will play a key role in this, hence my post.

]]> By: Trevor Sumner http://itredux.com/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-7857 Trevor Sumner Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:17:07 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/11/ibm-embraces-bpm-20-model/#comment-7857 I don't really see how IBM adding another product that competes with it's BPM offering across the board and also has been cited for a "complete lack of standards" in the Design category according to the Forrester Human Centric BPM Wave 2006 really helps their position. Though FileNet has recently added some standards support in their latest release, they clearly are behind in standards adoption. And while I am sure there is a desire for IBM to get to a zero-code architecture with one-click deploy, the fact that IBM has so many products loosely linked together make them one of the weakest BPM vendors in these two specific regards. Like <a href="http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/column2/" rel="nofollow">Sandy Kemsley</a> I am speechless. An architect's desire does not a product make. I don’t really see how IBM adding another product that competes with it’s BPM offering across the board and also has been cited for a “complete lack of standards” in the Design category according to the Forrester Human Centric BPM Wave 2006 really helps their position. Though FileNet has recently added some standards support in their latest release, they clearly are behind in standards adoption.

And while I am sure there is a desire for IBM to get to a zero-code architecture with one-click deploy, the fact that IBM has so many products loosely linked together make them one of the weakest BPM vendors in these two specific regards.

Like Sandy Kemsley I am speechless.

An architect’s desire does not a product make.

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