Comments on: First Office 2.0 Challenge http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/ New Rules for a New IT World Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:42:55 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: IT|Redux http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-60385 IT|Redux Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:40:39 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-60385 [...] Smartsheet looks really smart Smartsheet.com is a workflow-infused database dressed as an online spreadsheet and marketed as a project management application. A little bit like Coghead meeting Dabble DB, with a very sexy user interface. The feature that really grabbed my attention was the ability to define user permissions at the row level. This is something I could use for the Office 2.0 Database in order to let vendors edit their own records, along the lines of the idea for a Wikibase that was suggested in this past article. As of today, Smartsheet.com does not support JSON feeds (to be available in Q2), therefore I cannot use it for this purpose just quite yet, and the good folks at Dabble DB promised me that they will work on something that should address my needs. Therefore, I will stick to Dabble DB for the Office 2.0 Database, but might very well use Smartsheet.com for managing the speakers and sponsors for the upcoming Office 2.0 Conference. [...] […] Smartsheet looks really smart Smartsheet.com is a workflow-infused database dressed as an online spreadsheet and marketed as a project management application. A little bit like Coghead meeting Dabble DB, with a very sexy user interface. The feature that really grabbed my attention was the ability to define user permissions at the row level. This is something I could use for the Office 2.0 Database in order to let vendors edit their own records, along the lines of the idea for a Wikibase that was suggested in this past article. As of today, Smartsheet.com does not support JSON feeds (to be available in Q2), therefore I cannot use it for this purpose just quite yet, and the good folks at Dabble DB promised me that they will work on something that should address my needs. Therefore, I will stick to Dabble DB for the Office 2.0 Database, but might very well use Smartsheet.com for managing the speakers and sponsors for the upcoming Office 2.0 Conference. […]

]]> By: IT|Redux http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-46373 IT|Redux Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:49:57 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-46373 [...] What’s Missing Online databases are really starting to match the capabilities offered by their offline counterparts, but some more work remains to be done in order to support the development of full-fledged applications. For most of the applications we reviewed, better support for the publishing of data entry forms, the WYSIWYG creation of reporting forms, and the ability to support more sophisticated user workflows would be welcome. Also, simple ways of granting access at the record level would make it a lot easier to create a broad range of applications, as described in this earlier article. [...] […] What’s Missing Online databases are really starting to match the capabilities offered by their offline counterparts, but some more work remains to be done in order to support the development of full-fledged applications. For most of the applications we reviewed, better support for the publishing of data entry forms, the WYSIWYG creation of reporting forms, and the ability to support more sophisticated user workflows would be welcome. Also, simple ways of granting access at the record level would make it a lot easier to create a broad range of applications, as described in this earlier article. […]

]]> By: InstaBlog http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-10376 InstaBlog Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:28:09 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-10376 [...] Another interesting post here by Ismael Ghalimi. [...] […] Another interesting post here by Ismael Ghalimi. […]

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8972 Ismael Ghalimi Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:48:17 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8972 Enrico, Got it, thanks! Enrico,

Got it, thanks!

]]> By: Enrico De Majorca http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8971 Enrico De Majorca Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:42:33 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8971 Simply put -- Wikibase as an RDF Resources builder/descriptor, is much more than interesting. Simply put — Wikibase as an RDF Resources builder/descriptor, is much more than interesting.

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8952 Ismael Ghalimi Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:58:16 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8952 Enrico, I'm not sure I understand your statement. Enrico,

I’m not sure I understand your statement.

]]> By: Enrico De Majorca http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8911 Enrico De Majorca Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:00:08 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8911 "It is interesting that someone brought up RDF and Ontology..." -- interesting? A monkey writing SQL is interesting. “It is interesting that someone brought up RDF and Ontology…” — interesting? A monkey writing SQL is interesting.

]]> By: Craig's Rantings http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8747 Craig's Rantings Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:42:43 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8747 <strong>Office 2.0 get's a challenge!</strong> Ismael just threw out a challenge to all the Office 2.0 companies... Office 2.0 get’s a challenge!

Ismael just threw out a challenge to all the Office 2.0 companies…

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8613 Ismael Ghalimi Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:45:19 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8613 Charles, Well, that's even more impressive than I originally thought. Charles,

Well, that’s even more impressive than I originally thought.

]]> By: Charles http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8592 Charles Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:34:16 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8592 Ismael, For this application, no custom code was written. Everything was done using the GUI configuration only. And the other half will also be available using GUI configuration only. Ismael,

For this application, no custom code was written. Everything was done using the GUI configuration only. And the other half will also be available using GUI configuration only.

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8556 Ismael Ghalimi Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:01:02 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8556 Francis, You're right, I'm looking for something simple, which RDF is not. Don't get me wrong, I love the power of RDF or DAML, but this is definitely at the other end of the spectrum. This first Office 2.0 Challenge targets something one or two orders of magnitude simpler, and the folks at Zoho are on a good way to nail it. I hope the other online databases will give it a shot though, for they might come up with innovative user interfaces for what I have in mind. Francis,

You’re right, I’m looking for something simple, which RDF is not. Don’t get me wrong, I love the power of RDF or DAML, but this is definitely at the other end of the spectrum. This first Office 2.0 Challenge targets something one or two orders of magnitude simpler, and the folks at Zoho are on a good way to nail it. I hope the other online databases will give it a shot though, for they might come up with innovative user interfaces for what I have in mind.

]]> By: Francis Ip http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8555 Francis Ip Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:42:28 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8555 It is interesting that someone brought up <a href="http://www.w3.org/RDF/">RDF</a> and Ontology. These are way beyond the rudimentary requirements of a simple "one table" database that stores and shares information between the table owner and other approved contributors based on the permissions granted by the owner on domain (column), tuple (row), or both to approved contributors. If my understanding is correct, Ismael is not looking for something to build Ontologies or Knowlege Bases, but only simple relational-like tables. I also doubt that Ismael is looking for a versatile database utility that can also structure databases into hierachical or network form! It is interesting that someone brought up RDF and Ontology. These are way beyond the rudimentary requirements of a simple “one table” database that stores and shares information between the table owner and other approved contributors based on the permissions granted by the owner on domain (column), tuple (row), or both to approved contributors.

If my understanding is correct, Ismael is not looking for something to build Ontologies or Knowlege Bases, but only simple relational-like tables. I also doubt that Ismael is looking for a versatile database utility that can also structure databases into hierachical or network form!

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8550 Ismael Ghalimi Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:04:56 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8550 Sridhar, I think it would. I'm really curious now... Sridhar,

I think it would. I’m really curious now…

]]> By: Sridhar Vembu http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8541 Sridhar Vembu Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:02:44 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8541 Ismael, As Charles mentioned, we are planning to integrate versioning and audit to the Zoho Creator database. Would that meet the Wikibase requirements? -Sridhar Ismael,

As Charles mentioned, we are planning to integrate versioning and audit to the Zoho Creator database. Would that meet the Wikibase requirements?

-Sridhar

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8537 Ismael Ghalimi Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:33:55 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8537 Charles, You guys are amazing! You got half of the requirements nailed. I cannot wait to see the other half. Also, I should have added another requirement: no custom code to be developed, only configuration of the tool. Do you think you can make it work that way? Charles,

You guys are amazing! You got half of the requirements nailed. I cannot wait to see the other half. Also, I should have added another requirement: no custom code to be developed, only configuration of the tool. Do you think you can make it work that way?

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8536 Ismael Ghalimi Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:32:57 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8536 Ed, Thanks for the tip. Much appreciated! Ed,

Thanks for the tip. Much appreciated!

]]> By: Charles http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8529 Charles Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:21:15 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8529 Ismael, I tried attempting this for fun using <a href="http://zohocreator.com" rel="nofollow">Zoho Creator</a>, and ended up with this first <a href="http://zohocreator.com/owner/office-2-dot-0-challenge/">application</a>. It has a Speakers Registration Form similar to what you have <a href="http://www.office20con.com/speakers_registration.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. When a prospective speaker submits an entry, it falls into a "Yet to Approve" tab. There is another tab called "Approved Speakers" in which all the approved speakers are listed. Only the owner of the application has the permission to approve a speaker or not. Others can only view "Approved Speakers" and "Yet to Approve" entries. When the owner signs in, he will have to just edit each of the "Yet to Approve" entries and select the "Approve" field and update it. This "Approve" field is hidden to everyone else. Thus moderation for adding an entry is achieved. What needs to be done is to have moderation for updating and deleting the entries as well. For this, we have to integrate a database versioning system, which we have already developed in-house. Once it is integrated, that should also be possible. User name and password for the owner of this application is <strong>owner</strong> and <strong>owner</strong>. You can try it out to see how it works. -Charles Ismael,

I tried attempting this for fun using Zoho Creator, and ended up with this first application. It has a Speakers Registration Form similar to what you have here. When a prospective speaker submits an entry, it falls into a “Yet to Approve” tab. There is another tab called “Approved Speakers” in which all the approved speakers are listed.

Only the owner of the application has the permission to approve a speaker or not. Others can only view “Approved Speakers” and “Yet to Approve” entries. When the owner signs in, he will have to just edit each of the “Yet to Approve” entries and select the “Approve” field and update it. This “Approve” field is hidden to everyone else.

Thus moderation for adding an entry is achieved. What needs to be done is to have moderation for updating and deleting the entries as well. For this, we have to integrate a database versioning system, which we have already developed in-house. Once it is integrated, that should also be possible. User name and password for the owner of this application is owner and owner. You can try it out to see how it works.

-Charles

]]> By: Ed Dodds http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8527 Ed Dodds Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:18:06 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8527 Ismael, Peter Yim just sent this message out to the Ontology Community of Practice. RDF has come up in recent threads on the listserv so you may find this <a href="http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2006-08/msg00069.html">article</a> to be of interest. Ismael,

Peter Yim just sent this message out to the Ontology Community of Practice. RDF has come up in recent threads on the listserv so you may find this article to be of interest.

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8505 Ismael Ghalimi Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:15:06 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8505 Enrico, What do you mean by "RDF resource"? Enrico,

What do you mean by “RDF resource”?

]]> By: Enrico De Majorca http://itredux.com/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-8504 Enrico De Majorca Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:08:51 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2006/08/17/first-office-20-challenge/#comment-8504 Wikibase is a nice idea, but there's also a need for public data manipulation tools. Use Wikibase as an RDF resource. Wikibase is a nice idea, but there’s also a need for public data manipulation tools. Use Wikibase as an RDF resource.

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