Comments on: On Intalio and Open Source http://itredux.com/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/ New Rules for a New IT World Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:05:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-960493 Ismael Ghalimi Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:51:12 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-960493 Silas, Over 90% of the code making Intalio|BPMS Community Edition is licensed under the ASL and the EPL. Furthermore, we're working on Developer Edition that will be 100% open source and bring some of the most interesting innovations we've seen in the BPM space in a long time. Stay tuned! -Ismael Silas,

Over 90% of the code making Intalio|BPMS Community Edition is licensed under the ASL and the EPL. Furthermore, we’re working on Developer Edition that will be 100% open source and bring some of the most interesting innovations we’ve seen in the BPM space in a long time. Stay tuned!

-Ismael

]]> By: Silas Denyer http://itredux.com/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-956389 Silas Denyer Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:03:45 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-956389 Such good intentions... Unfortunately it seems that the modified MPL release of Intalio never happened. The current "community edition" is closed source (in that the components that haven't been donated to other projects are closed source), the designer will ONLY work fully if it validates your login with Intalio's servers EVERY TIME you want to deploy something to a non-local host (cue setting up various complex proxies and redirects to get around this, which is a pest), and the lack of source code means that we can't be sure that there isn't a lot more "phoning home" going on from the designer or indeed the server. Furthermore, the community edition license allows Intalio to terminate the license at any time. What companies such as this seem to miss is that, for many of us, tying up to a "different" technology vendor is a major strategic decision. The OSS model gives us reassurance that, should everything go badly, our investment is secure, and the community can/will pick up the development baton. This can't happen with Intalio community edition - in fact, if Intalio goes pop, the Designer will stop working. In short, the "community edition" product is not, presently (Q3 2008) what was promised in 2007. This is a shame, not least because it doesn't speak well to the trust issue outlined by Ismael in this very article. Such good intentions…

Unfortunately it seems that the modified MPL release of Intalio never happened. The current “community edition” is closed source (in that the components that haven’t been donated to other projects are closed source), the designer will ONLY work fully if it validates your login with Intalio’s servers EVERY TIME you want to deploy something to a non-local host (cue setting up various complex proxies and redirects to get around this, which is a pest), and the lack of source code means that we can’t be sure that there isn’t a lot more “phoning home” going on from the designer or indeed the server.

Furthermore, the community edition license allows Intalio to terminate the license at any time. What companies such as this seem to miss is that, for many of us, tying up to a “different” technology vendor is a major strategic decision. The OSS model gives us reassurance that, should everything go badly, our investment is secure, and the community can/will pick up the development baton. This can’t happen with Intalio community edition - in fact, if Intalio goes pop, the Designer will stop working.

In short, the “community edition” product is not, presently (Q3 2008) what was promised in 2007. This is a shame, not least because it doesn’t speak well to the trust issue outlined by Ismael in this very article.

]]> By: Matrix Systems & Technologies, Inc. http://itredux.com/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-483355 Matrix Systems & Technologies, Inc. Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:50:05 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-483355 NetBeans Demo: http://www.netbeans.org/kb/55/vwp-ajaxmapviewer-flash.html NetBeans Demo: http://www.netbeans.org/kb/55/vwp-ajaxmapviewer-flash.html

]]> By: Matrix Systems & Technologies, Inc. http://itredux.com/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-483071 Matrix Systems & Technologies, Inc. Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:31:21 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-483071 Any thoughts on the TIBCO BPMS? How would they compare vs. Intalio? -Matrix Systems Any thoughts on the TIBCO BPMS? How would they compare vs. Intalio?

-Matrix Systems

]]> By: Roberto Galoppini http://itredux.com/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-32069 Roberto Galoppini Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:26:50 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-32069 I agree that defining commonly-acceptable terms for what I call Commercial Open Source Software has proven to be a difficult task, and I suggest you read this very well-researched article by David A. Wheeler: <a href="http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/commercial-floss.html" rel="nofollow">"Commercial" is not the opposite of Free-Libre / Open Source Software</a> I agree that defining commonly-acceptable terms for what I call Commercial Open Source Software has proven to be a difficult task, and I suggest you read this very well-researched article by David A. Wheeler:

“Commercial” is not the opposite of Free-Libre / Open Source Software

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-31629 Ismael Ghalimi Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:02:50 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-31629 Arthur, We're working on fixing the problem. In the meantime, I changed the article's <a href="http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1896755,00.asp">URL</a>. Best regards -Ismael Arthur,

We’re working on fixing the problem.

In the meantime, I changed the article’s URL.

Best regards
 -Ismael

]]> By: Artemgy http://itredux.com/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-31583 Artemgy Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:50:09 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-31583 I wanted to follow your link to the press release on the acquisition in December 2005, but the press site seems to be empty. Please let me know when it is back on line. Thanks. I wanted to follow your link to the press release on the acquisition in December 2005, but the press site seems to be empty. Please let me know when it is back on line.

Thanks.

]]> By: IT|Redux http://itredux.com/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-31469 IT|Redux Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:36:27 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/02/on-intalio-and-open-source/#comment-31469 [...] Original post by Ismael Ghalimi and posted by Mark Bean [...] […] Original post by Ismael Ghalimi and posted by Mark Bean […]

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