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		<title>By: Jed Cawthorne</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-563359</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed Cawthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

Fascinating posting and comments, I missed Koral at the Office 2.0 Conference, I must have been in another excellent session. Having taken a look it appears that Koral is offering what is often encompassed by the newest content management acronym -- Basic Content Services (BCS, not to be confused in this space with Business Classification Schema), a term which now seems to be commonly applied to Microsoft&#039;s MOSS 2007. Either way, neither Koral nor MOSS are ECM -- well not by AIIM&#039;s definition anyway.

However my contention is that ECM is a strategy, not a system. As noted by many posters, users don&#039;t like DM / DRM / ECM systems when they have to contend with confusing web interfaces, the requirements for lots of metadata, records management retention periods, etc. So it&#039;s about the business, and sometimes individual end users have to bite the bullet and do things that bring benefit to the organization, even if it means they have to spend a few minutes meta-tagging their documents. However, we absolutely should make it as easy and as usable as possible -- and I can tell you Documentum, Livelink et al. need to apply to their ECM systems interfaces the creativity apparent in many of the products that have been presented at the Office 2.0 Conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi&nbsp;all,</p>
<p>Fascinating posting and comments, I missed Koral at the Office 2.0 Conference, I must have been in another excellent session. Having taken a look it appears that Koral is offering what is often encompassed by the newest content management acronym&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;Basic Content Services (<span class="caps">BCS</span>, not to be confused in this space with Business Classification Schema), a term which now seems to be commonly applied to Microsoft&#8217;s <span class="caps">MOSS</span> 2007. Either way, neither Koral nor <span class="caps">MOSS</span> are <span class="caps">ECM</span>&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;well not by <span class="caps">AIIM</span>&#8217;s definition&nbsp;anyway.</p>
<p>However my contention is that <span class="caps">ECM</span> is a strategy, not a system. As noted by many posters, users don&#8217;t like <span class="caps">DM</span> / <span class="caps">DRM</span> / <span class="caps">ECM</span> systems when they have to contend with confusing web interfaces, the requirements for lots of metadata, records management retention periods, etc. So it&#8217;s about the business, and sometimes individual end users have to bite the bullet and do things that bring benefit to the organization, even if it means they have to spend a few minutes meta-tagging their documents. However, we absolutely should make it as easy and as usable as possible&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;and I can tell you Documentum, Livelink et al. need to apply to their <span class="caps">ECM</span> systems interfaces the creativity apparent in many of the products that have been presented at the Office 2.0&nbsp;Conference.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ponderings of Woodrow</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-69068</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ponderings of Woodrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sometimes the best acquisitions are those that don&#039;t make headlines. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Sometimes the best acquisitions are those that don&#8217;t make headlines.&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: IT&#124;Redux</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-67185</link>
		<dc:creator>IT&#124;Redux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Three months ago, I wrote about Koral, one of the best online document management systems currently available. Today, Salesforce.com will announce that they acquired the company, and are using its technology to build Apex Content and ContentExchange. This acquisition marks Salesforce.com&#8217;s entry into the ECM market, but I hope Marc and his team won&#8217;t stop there. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Three months ago, I wrote about Koral, one of the best online document management systems currently available. Today, Salesforce.com will announce that they acquired the company, and are using its technology to build Apex Content and ContentExchange. This acquisition marks Salesforce.com&#8217;s entry into the <span class="caps">ECM</span> market, but I hope Marc and his team won&#8217;t stop there.&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: IT&#124;Redux</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-60370</link>
		<dc:creator>IT&#124;Redux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There is more than anecdotal evidence to prove that the model is working for a new breed of SaaS vendors, but some examples might help paint a clear picture. Two vendors that I am quite familiar with, EchoSign and Koral, each managed to sign tens of paying customers through the AppExchange in less than six month. Xcellery, which launched less than a year ago, signed their first customer last December, and got their first AppExchange customer this week. By any measure, this is fast. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] There is more than anecdotal evidence to prove that the model is working for a new breed of SaaS vendors, but some examples might help paint a clear picture. Two vendors that I am quite familiar with, EchoSign and Koral, each managed to sign tens of paying customers through the AppExchange in less than six month. Xcellery, which launched less than a year ago, signed their first customer last December, and got their first AppExchange customer this week. By any measure, this is fast.&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: IT&#124;Redux</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-52181</link>
		<dc:creator>IT&#124;Redux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Koral: Koral [review] is a very powerful, yet easy to use document management system that can be used to store and retrieve any document. Documents can be uploaded onto the system by simply dragging and dropping files onto a desktop folder, then organized using a combination of tags and workspaces. Koral support full-text indexing, as well as direct previews for the most popular document formats, without the need for any third-party application. Koral is also fully integrated with Salesforce.com, allowing documents to be attached to virtually any Salesforce.com object. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Koral: Koral [review] is a very powerful, yet easy to use document management system that can be used to store and retrieve any document. Documents can be uploaded onto the system by simply dragging and dropping files onto a desktop folder, then organized using a combination of tags and workspaces. Koral support full-text indexing, as well as direct previews for the most popular document formats, without the need for any third-party application. Koral is also fully integrated with Salesforce.com, allowing documents to be attached to virtually any Salesforce.com object.&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Armasu</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-50107</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Armasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After playing with for a bit, I think Google should buy Koral and integrate it with the Apps, with JotSpot, and turn it into a very efficient productivity wiki solution. I love JotSpot, and I think Koral is greatâ€”imagine the combination with Google Apps, and maybe a GTD and a project management solution.

Wow! Can&#039;t wait.

-Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After playing with for a bit, I think Google should buy Koral and integrate it with the Apps, with JotSpot, and turn it into a very efficient productivity wiki solution. I love JotSpot, and I think Koral is greatâ€”imagine the combination with Google Apps, and maybe a <span class="caps">GTD</span> and a project management&nbsp;solution.</p>
<p>Wow! Can&#8217;t&nbsp;wait.</p>
<p>-Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: Uncommon Knowledge</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-49432</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncommon Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also don&#8217;t forget that you have to manage all of the content that&#8217;s generated by any expertise-gathering or knowledge exchange system. While it may sit in a low-complexity environment like a forum, you may eventually have to figure out how to choose a content management system if you want to put it all into something more complex like a portal or intranet (you may also want to read my previous post on how to choose what software you need). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Also don&#8217;t forget that you have to manage all of the content that&#8217;s generated by any expertise-gathering or knowledge exchange system. While it may sit in a low-complexity environment like a forum, you may eventually have to figure out how to choose a content management system if you want to put it all into something more complex like a portal or intranet (you may also want to read my previous post on how to choose what software you need).&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: IT&#124;Redux</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-47383</link>
		<dc:creator>IT&#124;Redux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Today, many Office 2.0 vendors have embraced AppExchange and started to offer their services as extensions to Salesforce.com. Among them, there are a few I just cannot live without anymore: EchoSign for electronic document signing [review], Koral for content management [review], and Spanning Partners for data syndication and synchronization [review]. The desire to have these directly integrated within the hub of My Office 2.0 Setup is what convinced me to return to my first CRM love. Today, Salesforce.com has matured into a full-fledged platform, and it has become too difficult to ignore its appeal. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Today, many Office 2.0 vendors have embraced AppExchange and started to offer their services as extensions to Salesforce.com. Among them, there are a few I just cannot live without anymore: EchoSign for electronic document signing [review], Koral for content management [review], and Spanning Partners for data syndication and synchronization [review]. The desire to have these directly integrated within the hub of My Office 2.0 Setup is what convinced me to return to my first <span class="caps">CRM</span> love. Today, Salesforce.com has matured into a full-fledged platform, and it has become too difficult to ignore its appeal.&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: VentureBlogalist</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-37874</link>
		<dc:creator>VentureBlogalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how Koral has gotten away from a folder hierarchy, while most Wikis still support it. Inbound email is better than WYSIWYG since your email client is usually a starting point for knowledge management content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how Koral has gotten away from a folder hierarchy, while most Wikis still support it. Inbound email is better than <span class="caps">WYSIWYG</span> since your email client is usually a starting point for knowledge management&nbsp;content.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Barker</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-37843</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VentureBlogalist, Ismael,

Message received and understood. Inbound email is in the works at the moment, andâ€”fingers crossedâ€”we&#039;ll get working on the Zoho integration soon.

Regards
-Tim Barker
VP Product, Koral</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VentureBlogalist,&nbsp;Ismael,</p>
<p>Message received and understood. Inbound email is in the works at the moment, andâ€”fingers crossedâ€”we&#8217;ll get working on the Zoho integration&nbsp;soon.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
-Tim Barker<br />
<span class="caps">VP</span> Product,&nbsp;Koral</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-37736</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

I agree, integration with ThinkFree and Zoho would be great!

Best regards
-Ismael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>I agree, integration with ThinkFree and Zoho would be&nbsp;great!</p>
<p>Best regards<br />&nbsp;-Ismael</p>
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		<title>By: VentureBlogalist</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-37570</link>
		<dc:creator>VentureBlogalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see Koral also add more common Wiki features, like WYSIWYG note editing within the browser. Also, searching the content of email attachments seems fundamental, but seems lacking in Koral? Do people agree that Koral should get wikitized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see Koral also add more common Wiki features, like <span class="caps">WYSIWYG</span> note editing within the browser. Also, searching the content of email attachments seems fundamental, but seems lacking in Koral? Do people agree that Koral should get&nbsp;wikitized?</p>
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		<title>By: Under the Radar</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-36468</link>
		<dc:creator>Under the Radar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Seen and Heard: IT&#124;Redux reports: â€œI got my epiphany for this online service when I saw Mark Susterâ€™s demonstration at the Office 2.0 Conference. In order to upload a document into the system, all you have to do is drag its file onto a drop-box that looks like a folder on your desktop. Scoble says: â€œKoral has a knowledge management system that is the coolest thing I saw at the SAP show recently.â€ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Seen and Heard: <span class="caps">IT</span>|Redux reports: â€œI got my epiphany for this online service when I saw Mark Susterâ€™s demonstration at the Office 2.0 Conference. In order to upload a document into the system, all you have to do is drag its file onto a drop-box that looks like a folder on your desktop. Scoble says: â€œKoral has a knowledge management system that is the coolest thing I saw at the <span class="caps">SAP</span> show recently.â€&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-34611</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francis,

Thanks a lot for the background information. Fascinating!

-Ismael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis,</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for the background information.&nbsp;Fascinating!</p>
<p>-Ismael</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Ip</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-34378</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Ip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismael,

I don&#039;t recall the name of the software vendor anymore, and I believe that it no longer exists. The package was purchased by TGH back in the earlier 80&#039;s, which ran on Prime computer (another extinct species). The purchase of that package and money spent to beef up security were the joke within the hospital circle in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area). It was the third attempt by TGH to get a suite of Patient Registration &amp; A/D/T systems up and running. The first attempt took place right at the same time when I delivered a turnkey suite of Patient Registraton &amp; A/D/T to McMater University Medical Centre (MUMC) at Hamilton, Ontario. TGH hired IBM Canada to deliver the suite. After 3 million dollars and 2 years, IBM only delivered a partial Patient Registration System, running on an IBM mainframe, with very limited capabilities. When it was up and running, the CEO of TGH called my boss, the President of the consulting firm for which I worked, to enquire how the McMaster project was going. My boss told her that the Patient Registration &amp; A/D/T was and running more than 18 months ago. Anyway, TGH could easily get money to waste, as it was the largest teaching and research hospital in Canada!

In terms of security, MUMC has confidential admission for the members of Royal families in the U.K. or Middle East, or well-known dignitaries. In pre-admission or admission, the name of a confidential admitted patient never shows up on any terminal, unless you are a member of that patient&#039;s treatment team, with proper security clearance. After a confidentially admitted patient is discharged, only designated senior medical clerks can do medical asbstracts of medical records for that patient. Moreover, the names of confidentially admitted patients never show up on regular daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, or yearly reports. Another set of confidential reports would track the movements of those confidentially admitted patients.

ECM would be an important system for organizations like hospitals -- teaching hospitals in particular. Organization and retrieval of medical records for treating a patient or doing a piece of research work would require high degrees of relevancy, accuracy, and security to protect privacy and confidentiality. In essence, Basic Content Management is for the general masses, while certified ECM is for organizations that require extensive security capabilities.

Cheers!
-Francis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismael,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall the name of the software vendor anymore, and I believe that it no longer exists. The package was purchased by <span class="caps">TGH</span> back in the earlier 80&#8217;s, which ran on Prime computer (another extinct species). The purchase of that package and money spent to beef up security were the joke within the hospital circle in the <span class="caps">GTA</span> (Greater Toronto Area). It was the third attempt by <span class="caps">TGH</span> to get a suite of Patient Registration <span class="amp">&amp;</span> A/D/T systems up and running. The first attempt took place right at the same time when I delivered a turnkey suite of Patient Registraton <span class="amp">&amp;</span> A/D/T to McMater University Medical Centre (<span class="caps">MUMC</span>) at Hamilton, Ontario. <span class="caps">TGH</span> hired <span class="caps">IBM</span> Canada to deliver the suite. After 3 million dollars and 2 years, <span class="caps">IBM</span> only delivered a partial Patient Registration System, running on an <span class="caps">IBM</span> mainframe, with very limited capabilities. When it was up and running, the <span class="caps">CEO</span> of <span class="caps">TGH</span> called my boss, the President of the consulting firm for which I worked, to enquire how the McMaster project was going. My boss told her that the Patient Registration <span class="amp">&amp;</span> A/D/T was and running more than 18 months ago. Anyway, <span class="caps">TGH</span> could easily get money to waste, as it was the largest teaching and research hospital in&nbsp;Canada!</p>
<p>In terms of security, <span class="caps">MUMC</span> has confidential admission for the members of Royal families in the <span class="caps">U.K.</span> or Middle East, or well-known dignitaries. In pre-admission or admission, the name of a confidential admitted patient never shows up on any terminal, unless you are a member of that patient&#8217;s treatment team, with proper security clearance. After a confidentially admitted patient is discharged, only designated senior medical clerks can do medical asbstracts of medical records for that patient. Moreover, the names of confidentially admitted patients never show up on regular daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, or yearly reports. Another set of confidential reports would track the movements of those confidentially admitted&nbsp;patients.</p>
<p><span class="caps">ECM</span> would be an important system for organizations like hospitals&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;teaching hospitals in particular. Organization and retrieval of medical records for treating a patient or doing a piece of research work would require high degrees of relevancy, accuracy, and security to protect privacy and confidentiality. In essence, Basic Content Management is for the general masses, while certified <span class="caps">ECM</span> is for organizations that require extensive security&nbsp;capabilities.</p>
<p>Cheers!<br />&nbsp;-Francis</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-34326</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francis,

I&#039;d love to know who the vendor was...

-Ismael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to know who the vendor&nbsp;was&#8230;</p>
<p>-Ismael</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Ip</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-34126</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Ip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Thanks for the URL of Gartner&#039;s article. I agree with you that Koral is just a basic content management service, not truly ECM. ECM must be able to tag the security level of a document, which would be accessible only by people with proper security clearances. For instance, in-patient medical records are only accessible by the medical team that looks after the patient, not everyone in the hospital. The Toronto General Hospital (TGH) bought a package from a software vendor headquartered California. It was designed by a medical doctor, but TGH spent 4 million dollars to retrofit security features in the package. The package exposed every patient&#039;s medical records to everyone who had accesss to the package! I believe that no hospitals would sign up to Koral&#039;s services anytime soon.

Thanks again.

-Francis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Thanks for the <span class="caps">URL</span> of Gartner&#8217;s article. I agree with you that Koral is just a basic content management service, not truly <span class="caps">ECM</span>. <span class="caps">ECM</span> must be able to tag the security level of a document, which would be accessible only by people with proper security clearances. For instance, in-patient medical records are only accessible by the medical team that looks after the patient, not everyone in the hospital. The Toronto General Hospital (<span class="caps">TGH</span>) bought a package from a software vendor headquartered California. It was designed by a medical doctor, but <span class="caps">TGH</span> spent 4 million dollars to retrofit security features in the package. The package exposed every patient&#8217;s medical records to everyone who had accesss to the package! I believe that no hospitals would sign up to Koral&#8217;s services anytime&nbsp;soon.</p>
<p>Thanks&nbsp;again.</p>
<p>-Francis</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Curham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Curham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, Francis,

It sounds like the real market that Koral is going after is the Basic Content Services market, not the Enterprise Content Management Market. There is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=129459&quot;&gt;writeup&lt;/a&gt; on BCS at Gartner.

-Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,&nbsp;Francis,</p>
<p>It sounds like the real market that Koral is going after is the Basic Content Services market, not the Enterprise Content Management Market. There is a <a href="http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=129459">writeup</a> on <span class="caps">BCS</span> at&nbsp;Gartner.</p>
<p>-Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Ip</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2007/01/03/ecm-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-33543</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Ip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

I couldn&#039;t agree with you more that for personal use, any content management would do. When it comes to the enterprise, it is a very different story. I recall back in the early 80&#039;s, I was in a consulting assignment with a petroleum company in Canada. One day, I was working in a VP&#039;s office, and fully clothed RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) officers came into the office and cleaned out all documents from the VP&#039;s filing cabinets. Later I found out that the tax return officer at Revenue Canada who checked the companie&#039;s tax filing didn&#039;t like the filing, and ordered a forensic audit of the oil company&#039;s business transactions. It was not just that VP though, and documents were taken from the filing cabinets of the President, VPs, and Directors of the company. Two years later, there was no charge laid against the company, and all documents were returned. My point is that when you use the term enterprise, it means that you are subject to complying with regulations, be it SOX or equivalent!

Reasons that end users do not like ECM could be many. Personally, if the ECM does not index and categorize documents properly, I would not use it, just as simple as that. Moreover, if the online help is worse than the printed user manual, this would turn off users entirely. I learned this from a consulting assignment back in 1979 when I delivered a suite of turnkey Patient Registration and A/D/T systems to a teaching hospital. These systems were used by many departments, but the Patient Information Services Department was the primary user. As required by the Director of Patient Information Services, a system must be idiot proof, and she was right. Before a piece of data was updated in the MUMPS database, it was thoroughly validated. If a user did not know what the data field was used for and its valid set of values, s/he entered a question mark in the data field, and the system would respond with a comprehensive set of instructions on what to do on the right hand side of the screen of a VT100 terminal. Users did not need to consult a paper based user manual. I prepared one, but the Director of Patient Information Services never released it! She filed it in one of her drawers in her desk. By the way, the intructions were primarily written by the senior admitting clerks of the Patient Information Services.

In essence, when a software is truly an ECM, it must  support regulatory compliance and security requirements. In general, software vendors, including IBM, are very good at overhyping their products&#039; capabilities, but fall short in delivering them. Sometimes, these are vaporware, as an Executive VP, Engineering of a cellphone services provider called it. Many practitioners in the IT industry misuse terms all the time, as I pointed out in this &lt;a href=&quot;http://itredux.com/blog/2006/02/28/business-user-perspective-on-uml-bpmn-and-bpms/&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; about a year ago.

Cheers!
-Francis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more that for personal use, any content management would do. When it comes to the enterprise, it is a very different story. I recall back in the early 80&#8217;s, I was in a consulting assignment with a petroleum company in Canada. One day, I was working in a <span class="caps">VP</span>&#8217;s office, and fully clothed <span class="caps">RCMP</span> (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) officers came into the office and cleaned out all documents from the <span class="caps">VP</span>&#8217;s filing cabinets. Later I found out that the tax return officer at Revenue Canada who checked the companie&#8217;s tax filing didn&#8217;t like the filing, and ordered a forensic audit of the oil company&#8217;s business transactions. It was not just that <span class="caps">VP</span> though, and documents were taken from the filing cabinets of the President, VPs, and Directors of the company. Two years later, there was no charge laid against the company, and all documents were returned. My point is that when you use the term enterprise, it means that you are subject to complying with regulations, be it <span class="caps">SOX</span> or&nbsp;equivalent!</p>
<p>Reasons that end users do not like <span class="caps">ECM</span> could be many. Personally, if the <span class="caps">ECM</span> does not index and categorize documents properly, I would not use it, just as simple as that. Moreover, if the online help is worse than the printed user manual, this would turn off users entirely. I learned this from a consulting assignment back in 1979 when I delivered a suite of turnkey Patient Registration and A/D/T systems to a teaching hospital. These systems were used by many departments, but the Patient Information Services Department was the primary user. As required by the Director of Patient Information Services, a system must be idiot proof, and she was right. Before a piece of data was updated in the <span class="caps">MUMPS</span> database, it was thoroughly validated. If a user did not know what the data field was used for and its valid set of values, s/he entered a question mark in the data field, and the system would respond with a comprehensive set of instructions on what to do on the right hand side of the screen of a <span class="caps">VT100</span> terminal. Users did not need to consult a paper based user manual. I prepared one, but the Director of Patient Information Services never released it! She filed it in one of her drawers in her desk. By the way, the intructions were primarily written by the senior admitting clerks of the Patient Information&nbsp;Services.</p>
<p>In essence, when a software is truly an <span class="caps">ECM</span>, it must  support regulatory compliance and security requirements. In general, software vendors, including <span class="caps">IBM</span>, are very good at overhyping their products&#8217; capabilities, but fall short in delivering them. Sometimes, these are vaporware, as an Executive <span class="caps">VP</span>, Engineering of a cellphone services provider called it. Many practitioners in the <span class="caps">IT</span> industry misuse terms all the time, as I pointed out in this <a href="http://itredux.com/blog/2006/02/28/business-user-perspective-on-uml-bpmn-and-bpms/">article</a> about a year&nbsp;ago.</p>
<p>Cheers!<br />&nbsp;-Francis</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Suster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Suster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francis,

I&#039;m sure that docHarbor is a good company. But there are many ECM companies that have large feature sets including Documentum, FileNet, OpenText, Hummingbird, and Stellant, just to name a few.

We&#039;re not trying to match all of these players feature for feature -- that would be a waste of energy, and they would do a better job. We&#039;re trying to address a much broader market need, and one that is not tied to just sales &amp; marketing. The ECM space is worth $3 billion a year, and yet only 5% of all business users use any content management system at all. We believe that this is because today&#039;s systems are not solving the problems of the end user in a simple enough way that leads end users to truly be productive. It is true that with docHarbor you can manage Sarbanes Oxley, and with Documentum you can manage the new drug submission process in the Pharmaceutical sector, and if you have those needs you should talk with these companies.

But for the rest of us that want a simpler experience with managing content, I believe that solutions like Koral (and others) will fill this market gap in the way that Salesforce.com filled a market gap not met by the overly complex Siebel offering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that docHarbor is a good company. But there are many <span class="caps">ECM</span> companies that have large feature sets including Documentum, FileNet, OpenText, Hummingbird, and Stellant, just to name a&nbsp;few.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not trying to match all of these players feature for feature&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;that would be a waste of energy, and they would do a better job. We&#8217;re trying to address a much broader market need, and one that is not tied to just sales <span class="amp">&amp;</span> marketing. The <span class="caps">ECM</span> space is worth $3 billion a year, and yet only 5% of all business users use any content management system at all. We believe that this is because today&#8217;s systems are not solving the problems of the end user in a simple enough way that leads end users to truly be productive. It is true that with docHarbor you can manage Sarbanes Oxley, and with Documentum you can manage the new drug submission process in the Pharmaceutical sector, and if you have those needs you should talk with these&nbsp;companies.</p>
<p>But for the rest of us that want a simpler experience with managing content, I believe that solutions like Koral (and others) will fill this market gap in the way that Salesforce.com filled a market gap not met by the overly complex Siebel&nbsp;offering.</p>
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