Comments on: Open Source Relationships http://itredux.com/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/ New Rules for a New IT World Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:13:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-36448 Ismael Ghalimi Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:56:27 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-36448 Milly, Yes, whenever possible. SAML and XACML are of particular interest. Best regards -Ismael Milly,

Yes, whenever possible. SAML and XACML are of particular interest.

Best regards
 -Ismael

]]> By: Milly http://itredux.com/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-35976 Milly Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:01:58 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-35976 Wheree BPM and ECM intersect, does Intalio also take the step of embracing industry standards including IBE, OpenID, SAML, XACML, etc. Wheree BPM and ECM intersect, does Intalio also take the step of embracing industry standards including IBE, OpenID, SAML, XACML, etc.

]]> By: People Over Process http://itredux.com/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-35912 People Over Process Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:22:14 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-35912 [...] Open Source Relationships Partnering in the commercial open source world vs. the commercial closed source world. [...] […] Open Source Relationships Partnering in the commercial open source world vs. the commercial closed source world. […]

]]> By: Office 2.0 http://itredux.com/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-34963 Office 2.0 Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:26:17 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-34963 [...] Original post by Ismael Ghalimi and posted by Mark Bean [...] […] Original post by Ismael Ghalimi and posted by Mark Bean […]

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-34736 Ismael Ghalimi Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:49:20 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-34736 Which is why we cannot do everything ourselves... -Ismael Which is why we cannot do everything ourselves…

-Ismael

]]> By: Francis Ip http://itredux.com/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-34735 Francis Ip Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:46:11 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-34735 Ismael, Interesting that Jeanne now works for Microsoft. Microsoft has about 5,000 BizTalk customers worldwide. Many EDI users have moved off VAN overtime. It was ironic that Stelco at Hamilton, ON got shipments of products before EDI messages from the VAN arrived! This happened many times in 1997. In the EDI arena, retail businesses more or less dictate how the EDI documents should be structured. When you look at the schema of an order document, it looks like the structure of an IMS (Information Management System) hierarchical database. It is not easy to map data between a pair of trading partners! One thing I am sure of is that you have a lot of ground to cover. Cheers! -Francis Ismael,

Interesting that Jeanne now works for Microsoft. Microsoft has about 5,000 BizTalk customers worldwide. Many EDI users have moved off VAN overtime. It was ironic that Stelco at Hamilton, ON got shipments of products before EDI messages from the VAN arrived! This happened many times in 1997. In the EDI arena, retail businesses more or less dictate how the EDI documents should be structured. When you look at the schema of an order document, it looks like the structure of an IMS (Information Management System) hierarchical database. It is not easy to map data between a pair of trading partners!

One thing I am sure of is that you have a lot of ground to cover.

Cheers!
 -Francis

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-34726 Ismael Ghalimi Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:10:14 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-34726 Francis, EDI is something that we will add down the road, but there are very few Open Source solutions for it. <a href="http://www.sterlingcommerce.com/" rel="nofollow">Sterling Commerce</a>, one of the leading providers of VANs, has developed a BPMS that provides very advanced support for EDI. It is based on BPML (BPEL's precursor), and is being used in production by thousands of companies around the world today. Jeanne Baker, former BPMI.org chairperson, is the one most directly responsible for this success, and someone I have a lot of respect for. She now works for Microsoft. Best regards -Ismael Francis,

EDI is something that we will add down the road, but there are very few Open Source solutions for it. Sterling Commerce, one of the leading providers of VANs, has developed a BPMS that provides very advanced support for EDI. It is based on BPML (BPEL’s precursor), and is being used in production by thousands of companies around the world today. Jeanne Baker, former BPMI.org chairperson, is the one most directly responsible for this success, and someone I have a lot of respect for. She now works for Microsoft.

Best regards
 -Ismael

]]> By: Francis Ip http://itredux.com/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-34671 Francis Ip Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:24:33 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/01/12/open-source-relationships/#comment-34671 Ismael, I'm checking out your strategic partners one by one. Alfresco is a good choice for ECM, and it also runs on Windows Sever platforms, which are C2 certified for security. I don't know when I will finish checking out every one of them. There is one thing I haven't been able to reconciled yet. Isn't EDI part of business processes? Why does none of the BPMS products address EDI, with the exception of Microsoft BizTalk? Sometime ago, someone predicted that Web Services would replace proprietary VANs (Value Added Networks) for EDI, and EDI would die soon. Most EDI services are now running on top of the Web Services, and I don't see EDI dying anytime soon. The X.12 Order Document has gotten more complex, with more data segments and fields! As far as I know, large enterprises such as WalMart and DoD mandated all suppliers to get on EDI (X.12) and RFID for end-to-end product delivery, as the costs of running EDI are no longer prohibitive. Have BPMS vendors missed the boat? Did they think that the combination of BPMN and BPMS could replace every international standards under the sun? Keep up the good work. -Francis Ismael,

I’m checking out your strategic partners one by one. Alfresco is a good choice for ECM, and it also runs on Windows Sever platforms, which are C2 certified for security. I don’t know when I will finish checking out every one of them.

There is one thing I haven’t been able to reconciled yet. Isn’t EDI part of business processes? Why does none of the BPMS products address EDI, with the exception of Microsoft BizTalk? Sometime ago, someone predicted that Web Services would replace proprietary VANs (Value Added Networks) for EDI, and EDI would die soon. Most EDI services are now running on top of the Web Services, and I don’t see EDI dying anytime soon. The X.12 Order Document has gotten more complex, with more data segments and fields!

As far as I know, large enterprises such as WalMart and DoD mandated all suppliers to get on EDI (X.12) and RFID for end-to-end product delivery, as the costs of running EDI are no longer prohibitive. Have BPMS vendors missed the boat? Did they think that the combination of BPMN and BPMS could replace every international standards under the sun?

Keep up the good work.

-Francis

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