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		<title>By: Francis Ip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Ip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

The current BI tools are far from being intelligent. Most of them are just statistical packages with a new label. I&#039;ve used statistical packages such as Bimed, SPSS, and SAS in the transportation planning field to do cross-tabulation, stratification, cluster analysis, regression analysis, variance analysis, chi-square test, curve fitting, forecating, etc.

Slicing and dicing transaction data to extract patterns would only help marketing to target existing customer groups to promote new products and services. It is one way to retain customers, but it does not create more customers. You need external data to help targeting potential customers!

A true BI tool is one that can capitalize on business environmental data and leverage on internal product and service data to generate scenarios and establish market trends using expert systems. I don&#039;t think there is any commercial BI tool comes close to that.

Most IT people keep on promulgating the myth that data warehouses and data marts supplemented by BI tools are the basis for business decision making. This is not true. Data warehouses, data marts, and BI tools are just laying the ground work for decision making. There are many more steps, depending on the idustry, before business executives can make final decisions. They never look at the data extracted from data warehouses and data marts and manipulated by BI tools. Moreover, I have never seen a business executive drilling down on data to look for an answer himself or herself. It is always his or her staff members who doing the work! In essence, no amount of analysis can replace the gut-feel in decision making.

Cheers
-Francis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>The current <span class="caps">BI</span> tools are far from being intelligent. Most of them are just statistical packages with a new label. I&#8217;ve used statistical packages such as Bimed, <span class="caps">SPSS</span>, and <span class="caps">SAS</span> in the transportation planning field to do cross-tabulation, stratification, cluster analysis, regression analysis, variance analysis, chi-square test, curve fitting, forecating,&nbsp;etc.</p>
<p>Slicing and dicing transaction data to extract patterns would only help marketing to target existing customer groups to promote new products and services. It is one way to retain customers, but it does not create more customers. You need external data to help targeting potential&nbsp;customers!</p>
<p>A true <span class="caps">BI</span> tool is one that can capitalize on business environmental data and leverage on internal product and service data to generate scenarios and establish market trends using expert systems. I don&#8217;t think there is any commercial <span class="caps">BI</span> tool comes close to&nbsp;that.</p>
<p>Most <span class="caps">IT</span> people keep on promulgating the myth that data warehouses and data marts supplemented by <span class="caps">BI</span> tools are the basis for business decision making. This is not true. Data warehouses, data marts, and <span class="caps">BI</span> tools are just laying the ground work for decision making. There are many more steps, depending on the idustry, before business executives can make final decisions. They never look at the data extracted from data warehouses and data marts and manipulated by <span class="caps">BI</span> tools. Moreover, I have never seen a business executive drilling down on data to look for an answer himself or herself. It is always his or her staff members who doing the work! In essence, no amount of analysis can replace the gut-feel in decision&nbsp;making.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />&nbsp;-Francis</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lothar,

Take a complex ETL process, and identify the areas where you&#039;re spending much of your time configuring your ETL tool. Furthermore, identify these areas where the tool breaks, and human beings need to be involved in order to manually do some data cleansing or reconciliation. Now, identify these cases where help from more than one person is needed, and data lookups from more than one system are required. These are good scenarios for the use of a BPMS in the context of an ETL process.

Best regards
-Ismael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lothar,</p>
<p>Take a complex <span class="caps">ETL</span> process, and identify the areas where you&#8217;re spending much of your time configuring your <span class="caps">ETL</span> tool. Furthermore, identify these areas where the tool breaks, and human beings need to be involved in order to manually do some data cleansing or reconciliation. Now, identify these cases where help from more than one person is needed, and data lookups from more than one system are required. These are good scenarios for the use of a <span class="caps">BPMS</span> in the context of an <span class="caps">ETL</span>&nbsp;process.</p>
<p>Best regards<br />&nbsp;-Ismael</p>
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		<title>By: Lothar Schubert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lothar Schubert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ismael,

Great to see the BI topic being picked up from the BPMS supplier side. Indeed, delivering BI in the context of business processes promises to drive better alignment of strategy and execution, and to accelerate BI adoption within companies&#039; information worker communities. See for example Gartner&#039;s recent CIO survey results, published last week.

From a technology perspective, embedding BI into processes means 3 things:
 
(1) Provide analytics in the context of a process step. An example would be a purchasing manager, selecting a vendor for an IT project. Providing the right insights (transaction history, price/performance, etc.) at the point of decision making (creation of purchase requisition) certainly helps make better decisions, aligned with corporate goals.

(2) Take actions based on insights. Similar to (1) above, however this time it&#039;s not the process that incorporates analytics, but its analytics that trigger a process. An example would be a sales analyst, identifying a spike in a competitor&#039;s sales, and instigating an ad-hoc (workflow-driven) process to investigate and react.

(3) Measure efficiency of business process execution. And example would be a marketing manager, analyzing the execution of marketing campaigns, based on geographies.

All three above could involve a BPMS. While optional, the growth in adoption of BPM technologies certainly will foster and accelerate the adoption of process embedded analytics, also enabling more focused technical usage scenarios, such as BAM (Business Activity Monitoring) or IPA (Intelligent Process Automation).

I believe that we are in sync on the abovementioned scenarios. I am not sure though about the suggested role in BPM for automating ETL... No question that BPM does play a role in data quality management (MDM), however I don&#039;t see the direct correlation to classical data migration and data loading (although I have some ideas). I would be interested to learn more about what you had in mind though.

Regards
-Lothar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello&nbsp;Ismael,</p>
<p>Great to see the <span class="caps">BI</span> topic being picked up from the <span class="caps">BPMS</span> supplier side. Indeed, delivering <span class="caps">BI</span> in the context of business processes promises to drive better alignment of strategy and execution, and to accelerate <span class="caps">BI</span> adoption within companies&#8217; information worker communities. See for example Gartner&#8217;s recent <span class="caps">CIO</span> survey results, published last&nbsp;week.</p>
<p>From a technology perspective, embedding <span class="caps">BI</span> into processes means 3&nbsp;things:</p>
<p>(1) Provide analytics in the context of a process step. An example would be a purchasing manager, selecting a vendor for an <span class="caps">IT</span> project. Providing the right insights (transaction history, price/performance, etc.) at the point of decision making (creation of purchase requisition) certainly helps make better decisions, aligned with corporate&nbsp;goals.</p>
<p>(2) Take actions based on insights. Similar to (1) above, however this time it&#8217;s not the process that incorporates analytics, but its analytics that trigger a process. An example would be a sales analyst, identifying a spike in a competitor&#8217;s sales, and instigating an ad-hoc (workflow-driven) process to investigate and&nbsp;react.</p>
<p>(3) Measure efficiency of business process execution. And example would be a marketing manager, analyzing the execution of marketing campaigns, based on&nbsp;geographies.</p>
<p>All three above could involve a <span class="caps">BPMS</span>. While optional, the growth in adoption of <span class="caps">BPM</span> technologies certainly will foster and accelerate the adoption of process embedded analytics, also enabling more focused technical usage scenarios, such as <span class="caps">BAM</span> (Business Activity Monitoring) or <span class="caps">IPA</span> (Intelligent Process&nbsp;Automation).</p>
<p>I believe that we are in sync on the abovementioned scenarios. I am not sure though about the suggested role in <span class="caps">BPM</span> for automating <span class="caps">ETL</span>&#8230; No question that <span class="caps">BPM</span> does play a role in data quality management (<span class="caps">MDM</span>), however I don&#8217;t see the direct correlation to classical data migration and data loading (although I have some ideas). I would be interested to learn more about what you had in mind&nbsp;though.</p>
<p>Regards<br />&nbsp;-Lothar</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Urry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Urry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Francis,

A very good insight, something that people do forget. I have to say I agree that terms are reused to mean different things in different domains of usage, when perhaps a little thought could come up with something better. This reminds me of my father&#039;s objection to the use of the term &quot;renewable engergy&quot;! How is it renewable? Replaceable perhaps. I have to agree with his view, but then what chance do you have to change it?

I do think that you underestimate the value of a good BI tool that looks at the appropriate information (including external information) and overestimate the effectiveness of those gut feelings (at least a little). I have read several articles that indicate good BI can supplement and re-enforce the business person&#039;s understanding of a situation, and the numbers (dollars or efficiency gains) are there to show this. I suppose that implies this explanation re-enforces your take in that dollar and efficiency gains are very inward looking.

My personal take on gut feelings is that they are an ability to absorb the kind of Business Intelligence that you are referring to internally, find a pattern, and come to a conclusion based on inference. I guess the architects of BI software are trying to do something similar. BI is just one more evolutionary step to the future state of computing systems.

Cheers
-Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi&nbsp;Francis,</p>
<p>A very good insight, something that people do forget. I have to say I agree that terms are reused to mean different things in different domains of usage, when perhaps a little thought could come up with something better. This reminds me of my father&#8217;s objection to the use of the term &#8220;renewable engergy&#8221;! How is it renewable? Replaceable perhaps. I have to agree with his view, but then what chance do you have to change&nbsp;it?</p>
<p>I do think that you underestimate the value of a good <span class="caps">BI</span> tool that looks at the appropriate information (including external information) and overestimate the effectiveness of those gut feelings (at least a little). I have read several articles that indicate good <span class="caps">BI</span> can supplement and re-enforce the business person&#8217;s understanding of a situation, and the numbers (dollars or efficiency gains) are there to show this. I suppose that implies this explanation re-enforces your take in that dollar and efficiency gains are very inward&nbsp;looking.</p>
<p>My personal take on gut feelings is that they are an ability to absorb the kind of Business Intelligence that you are referring to internally, find a pattern, and come to a conclusion based on inference. I guess the architects of <span class="caps">BI</span> software are trying to do something similar. <span class="caps">BI</span> is just one more evolutionary step to the future state of computing&nbsp;systems.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />&nbsp;-Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Ip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Ip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 12:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismael,

Business Intelligence (BI) is more than slicing and dicing data collected from internal systems. The most important BI data are external environmental data such as economic climate, geo-political events, socio-economic conditions, shifts in demographics, and industry activities in the market segments within which a business entity competes. Without external data, one will never know how a business stacks up against competitive forces! In other words, one needs to measure performance against competitive forces, not just the KPI&#039;s set to improve business operations. This is the essence of Strategic Management. A business needs both the inward and outward outlooks to sustain its competitive advantage.

The oil embargo by the OPEC in the 1970&#039;s was a good lesson for the petroleum and transportation industries. Operations Research was applied successfully in optimizing internal operations, but failed in forecasting the shortage of crude oil supply in the international markets! The key reason is that there was plenty of internal information, to the point of information pollution, but environmental data were in short supply, or virtually non-existent! The shortage in crude oil supply triggered the Ontario Government to lower the Freeway speed limits from 100 km/h to 70 km/h. That was also the time during which sales of small size cars began to take off in North America. The Royal Dutch Shell also came up with the Scenario Analysis for Strategic Planning around that time.

It looks like IT practitioners are at work again in misusing a business termâ€”business intelligence. Moreover, there is a misconception by IT people that decision making is based on data. Hardly, as one of my ex-bosses said, &quot;I&#039;ve already made up my mind, don&#039;t confuse me with facts and statistics.&quot; Most major decisions are made based on gut-feels, not rational analyses! Many studies in Decision Making and Analyses have proved over and over again how decisions are made, but IT types never learn!

Best regards
-Francis

P.S. The most important part in data warehouses or data marts is the Star Schema in organizing transaction data based on time, location, and product type dimensions. ETL becomes easy once you nail down the data model. This is based on my past experience in Very Large Data Banks (VLDB) back in the 70&#039;s, before RDBMS was on the market. In the Transportation Planning field, a series of data banks in land-use, demographics, socio-economic, and trip generations are required to project future growth or decline in traffic. E. F. Codd (author of the relational theory), C. J. Date (guru of IBM&#039;s System R), and Jim Gray (architect of Tandem&#039;s Enscribe, and now working at Microsoft Research) were active members of ACM&#039;s VLDB SIG. They were the pioneers in data warehouses and data marts. I was a voting member of ACM at that time, but I can no longer afford to pay the annual membership, journal, and transaction subscription fees!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismael,</p>
<p>Business Intelligence (<span class="caps">BI</span>) is more than slicing and dicing data collected from internal systems. The most important <span class="caps">BI</span> data are external environmental data such as economic climate, geo-political events, socio-economic conditions, shifts in demographics, and industry activities in the market segments within which a business entity competes. Without external data, one will never know how a business stacks up against competitive forces! In other words, one needs to measure performance against competitive forces, not just the <span class="caps">KPI</span>&#8217;s set to improve business operations. This is the essence of Strategic Management. A business needs both the inward and outward outlooks to sustain its competitive&nbsp;advantage.</p>
<p>The oil embargo by the <span class="caps">OPEC</span> in the 1970&#8217;s was a good lesson for the petroleum and transportation industries. Operations Research was applied successfully in optimizing internal operations, but failed in forecasting the shortage of crude oil supply in the international markets! The key reason is that there was plenty of internal information, to the point of information pollution, but environmental data were in short supply, or virtually non-existent! The shortage in crude oil supply triggered the Ontario Government to lower the Freeway speed limits from 100 km/h to 70 km/h. That was also the time during which sales of small size cars began to take off in North America. The Royal Dutch Shell also came up with the Scenario Analysis for Strategic Planning around that&nbsp;time.</p>
<p>It looks like <span class="caps">IT</span> practitioners are at work again in misusing a business termâ€”business intelligence. Moreover, there is a misconception by <span class="caps">IT</span> people that decision making is based on data. Hardly, as one of my ex-bosses said, &#8220;I&#8217;ve already made up my mind, don&#8217;t confuse me with facts and statistics.&#8221; Most major decisions are made based on gut-feels, not rational analyses! Many studies in Decision Making and Analyses have proved over and over again how decisions are made, but <span class="caps">IT</span> types never&nbsp;learn!</p>
<p>Best regards<br />&nbsp;-Francis</p>
<p><span class="caps">P.S.</span> The most important part in data warehouses or data marts is the Star Schema in organizing transaction data based on time, location, and product type dimensions. <span class="caps">ETL</span> becomes easy once you nail down the data model. This is based on my past experience in Very Large Data Banks (<span class="caps">VLDB</span>) back in the 70&#8217;s, before <span class="caps">RDBMS</span> was on the market. In the Transportation Planning field, a series of data banks in land-use, demographics, socio-economic, and trip generations are required to project future growth or decline in traffic. <span class="caps">E. F.</span> Codd (author of the relational theory), <span class="caps">C. J.</span> Date (guru of <span class="caps">IBM</span>&#8217;s System R), and Jim Gray (architect of Tandem&#8217;s Enscribe, and now working at Microsoft Research) were active members of <span class="caps">ACM</span>&#8217;s <span class="caps">VLDB</span> <span class="caps">SIG</span>. They were the pioneers in data warehouses and data marts. I was a voting member of <span class="caps">ACM</span> at that time, but I can no longer afford to pay the annual membership, journal, and transaction subscription&nbsp;fees!</p>
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