Comments on: The Temptation of Reinvention http://itredux.com/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/ New Rules for a New IT World Sat, 10 Dec 2011 03:24:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Francis Ip http://itredux.com/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/comment-page-1/#comment-59701 Francis Ip Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:38:47 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/#comment-59701 Embed what? I never said embedding anything in a BPMS. I only pointed out the absence of components in most, if not all, BPMS. The missing components are: 1. EDI support; 2. Real-time iconic animation of states, in analog or digital form, of a process; 3. Definition of interfaces (or interactions) with real-time process control instruments with no codes. Business Process Management is more than monitoring transactions. It also includes information exchange -- EDI, AP 233 -- and restoration of out-of-balance operations -- real-time control of environment, production, and security. These capabilities have nothing to do with open-source or proprietary software. Embed what? I never said embedding anything in a BPMS. I only pointed out the absence of components in most, if not all, BPMS. The missing components are:

1. EDI support;

2. Real-time iconic animation of states, in analog or digital form, of a process;

3. Definition of interfaces (or interactions) with real-time process control instruments with no codes.

Business Process Management is more than monitoring transactions. It also includes information exchange — EDI, AP 233 — and restoration of out-of-balance operations — real-time control of environment, production, and security. These capabilities have nothing to do with open-source or proprietary software.

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/comment-page-1/#comment-56229 Ismael Ghalimi Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:05:57 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/#comment-56229 Francis, We cannot embed it, because we want a pure open-source platform. Best regards -Ismael Francis,

We cannot embed it, because we want a pure open-source platform.

Best regards
 -Ismael

]]> By: Francis Ip http://itredux.com/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/comment-page-1/#comment-53710 Francis Ip Wed, 07 Mar 2007 06:46:54 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/#comment-53710 If the EDI solution already exists, why not incorporate it into the Beta and production versions of Intalio|BPMS 5.0? It will truly become a complete BPMS. To me, BizTalk aside, most, if not all BPM systems on the market are partial implementations. By the way, get the 2007 Office Suite and SharePoint, you will get the ECM and browser-based Office 2.0, which includes project management and engineering drafting (similar to AutoCad) in Visio! Why project management and engineering drafting are important? Practically every bank, large retailer, or downstream petroleum company has an in-house architectural department to design & build new branches or re-design & renovate existing ones. For every business that produces physical goods, regardless of size, it needs to comply with designs from the customers, in the form of specifications and engineering drawings. BPMS is more than handling business transactions, it must support electronic document exchanges such as EDI (PO, Manifest, Bill, Contract, etc.), AP233 (Product Data), PSL (Process Specification), and SysML (Product and Process Design). The BPM being promoted by IT oriented organizations, including Gartner, miss a significant portion of activities in the management of an enterprise! Gartner is a replacement of Dr. James Martin, an IBM research fellow, who became the de facto guru of the IT field in the 60's, 70's, and 80's, before Gartner even existed! Technically speaking, a package for the design, development, and operation of SCADA systems can replace any IT oriented BPMS on the market, with much better user and system interfaces! If the EDI solution already exists, why not incorporate it into the Beta and production versions of Intalio|BPMS 5.0? It will truly become a complete BPMS. To me, BizTalk aside, most, if not all BPM systems on the market are partial implementations. By the way, get the 2007 Office Suite and SharePoint, you will get the ECM and browser-based Office 2.0, which includes project management and engineering drafting (similar to AutoCad) in Visio!

Why project management and engineering drafting are important? Practically every bank, large retailer, or downstream petroleum company has an in-house architectural department to design & build new branches or re-design & renovate existing ones. For every business that produces physical goods, regardless of size, it needs to comply with designs from the customers, in the form of specifications and engineering drawings.

BPMS is more than handling business transactions, it must support electronic document exchanges such as EDI (PO, Manifest, Bill, Contract, etc.), AP233 (Product Data), PSL (Process Specification), and SysML (Product and Process Design). The BPM being promoted by IT oriented organizations, including Gartner, miss a significant portion of activities in the management of an enterprise! Gartner is a replacement of Dr. James Martin, an IBM research fellow, who became the de facto guru of the IT field in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s, before Gartner even existed!

Technically speaking, a package for the design, development, and operation of SCADA systems can replace any IT oriented BPMS on the market, with much better user and system interfaces!

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/comment-page-1/#comment-53589 Ismael Ghalimi Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:14:03 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/#comment-53589 Francis, You're right, it's fairly complicated, yet not complex. This problem has been solved, many times around. Best regards -Ismael Francis,

You’re right, it’s fairly complicated, yet not complex.

This problem has been solved, many times around.

Best regards
 -Ismael

]]> By: Francis Ip http://itredux.com/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/comment-page-1/#comment-53586 Francis Ip Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:10:35 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/#comment-53586 Building an EDI suite is never a straightforward task, as one would like to hope. A purchase order (PO) has many transaction sets, and some of them are nested within the others. The structure of a PO's XML document is very complex, even viewed withiin a mapper! The most tricky part is how to map an inbound PO to an outbound PO properly, while meeting with the data requirements! There are many intricated processes for doing the mapping or transformation. Unfortunately, these processes are very convoluted! Building an EDI suite is never a straightforward task, as one would like to hope. A purchase order (PO) has many transaction sets, and some of them are nested within the others. The structure of a PO’s XML document is very complex, even viewed withiin a mapper! The most tricky part is how to map an inbound PO to an outbound PO properly, while meeting with the data requirements! There are many intricated processes for doing the mapping or transformation. Unfortunately, these processes are very convoluted!

]]> By: Ismael Ghalimi http://itredux.com/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/comment-page-1/#comment-53564 Ismael Ghalimi Tue, 06 Mar 2007 20:20:21 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/#comment-53564 Francis, While we do not provide an EDI connector out of the box, building one as a set of processes is actually a fairly straightforward task. Sterling Commerce, the leading EDI vendor, built their next-generation EDI platform exactly that way, as a set of BPML processes. As a matter of fact, we have a couple of customers who are trying to build a very similar thiing with Intalio|BPMS today, using BPEL this time around. Best regards -Ismael Francis,

While we do not provide an EDI connector out of the box, building one as a set of processes is actually a fairly straightforward task. Sterling Commerce, the leading EDI vendor, built their next-generation EDI platform exactly that way, as a set of BPML processes. As a matter of fact, we have a couple of customers who are trying to build a very similar thiing with Intalio|BPMS today, using BPEL this time around.

Best regards
 -Ismael

]]> By: Francis Ip http://itredux.com/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/comment-page-1/#comment-53462 Francis Ip Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:39:59 +0000 http://itredux.com/blog/2007/03/01/the-temptation-of-reinvention/#comment-53462 Intalio's BPMS is only a partial solution. It doesn't support a critical set of business processes (i.e. EDI) that are the eletronic document flows, which complement the physical material flows along the supply chain! Intalio’s BPMS is only a partial solution. It doesn’t support a critical set of business processes (i.e. EDI) that are the eletronic document flows, which complement the physical material flows along the supply chain!

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