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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-986652</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis,

Thanks for your kind words.

We really believe in openness and candor.

More posts like these will tell the full story over time.

Best regards
-Ismael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis,</p>
<p>Thanks for your kind&nbsp;words.</p>
<p>We really believe in openness and&nbsp;candor.</p>
<p>More posts like these will tell the full story over&nbsp;time.</p>
<p>Best regards<br />&nbsp;-Ismael</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Gavrilov</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-986380</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Gavrilov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismael,

I&#039;d like to thank you for sharing Intalio&#039;s history, business model and vision with the community in a compact and still informative form. I thought until today that such a detailed description of corporate strategy and business choices belonged to closed analyst reports, and that the only way for an unaffiliated person to get to it was to analyze publicly available indirect sources.

Our CEO and I have had similar discussions, when confronted with similar choices. It was very interesting to read about problems, decisions, and their results on Intalio&#039;s path to today&#039;s success.

-Dennis

PS: We also used TIBCO GI (indeed, impressive stuff) in the first prototype of our web modeler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismael,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to thank you for sharing Intalio&#8217;s history, business model and vision with the community in a compact and still informative form. I thought until today that such a detailed description of corporate strategy and business choices belonged to closed analyst reports, and that the only way for an unaffiliated person to get to it was to analyze publicly available indirect&nbsp;sources.</p>
<p>Our <span class="caps">CEO</span> and I have had similar discussions, when confronted with similar choices. It was very interesting to read about problems, decisions, and their results on Intalio&#8217;s path to today&#8217;s&nbsp;success.</p>
<p>-Dennis</p>
<p><span class="caps">PS</span>: We also used <span class="caps">TIBCO</span> <span class="caps">GI</span> (indeed, impressive stuff) in the first prototype of our web&nbsp;modeler.</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-983331</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

We do not support their modifications, unless they give them to us and we agree to integrate them back into the core product, which more and more customers are doing. We did that with Avaya for example.
Best regards
-Ismael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>We do not support their modifications, unless they give them to us and we agree to integrate them back into the core product, which more and more customers are doing. We did that with Avaya for example.<br />
Best regards<br />&nbsp;-Ismael</p>
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		<title>By: K. Chris Sotudeh</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-983017</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Chris Sotudeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismael,

In reference to your statement in this post that &quot; ... when customers subscribe to our Enterprise Edition, they get access to 100% of the productâ€™s source code, with the right to modify it for internal use. While customers do not have the right to re-distribute the original source code, they do not have to give us their modifications either ...&quot;, how do you support a customer&#039;s upgrade path on the core product if the customer modified the code and chose not to share it back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismael,</p>
<p>In reference to your statement in this post that &#8221; &#8230; when customers subscribe to our Enterprise Edition, they get access to 100% of the productâ€™s source code, with the right to modify it for internal use. While customers do not have the right to re-distribute the original source code, they do not have to give us their modifications either &#8230;&#8221;, how do you support a customer&#8217;s upgrade path on the core product if the customer modified the code and chose not to share it&nbsp;back?</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-982239</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated.

-Ismael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words, much&nbsp;appreciated.</p>
<p>-Ismael</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Ayres</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-982201</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Ayres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismael,

Although I don&#039;t have the brainpower to be able to comment on how effective your business model will be long term, I must say that the focus you show, and the transparency of your operations is appealing. 

I work for a company that could be considered a technology competitor, but probably safely separated from animosity through a more traditional business model. We have some similarities, based around the goals of our technology: deliver a seamlessly integrated platform for building differentiated enterprise applications more rapidly. 

Perhaps you take a more process centric model, where we take a &#039;repository&#039; centric approach (although a repository can be anything including a process engine for us). But the end result for customers wanting to deploy systems that will allow them to differentiate their operations from their competitors is a the sameâ€”with more than just a pretty process modeler and execution engine in the toolbox, an organization can really deploy applications that allow them to change and improve their business faster.

Keep up the good work and the insightful blog!

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismael,</p>
<p>Although I don&#8217;t have the brainpower to be able to comment on how effective your business model will be long term, I must say that the focus you show, and the transparency of your operations is&nbsp;appealing. </p>
<p>I work for a company that could be considered a technology competitor, but probably safely separated from animosity through a more traditional business model. We have some similarities, based around the goals of our technology: deliver a seamlessly integrated platform for building differentiated enterprise applications more&nbsp;rapidly. </p>
<p>Perhaps you take a more process centric model, where we take a &#8216;repository&#8217; centric approach (although a repository can be anything including a process engine for us). But the end result for customers wanting to deploy systems that will allow them to differentiate their operations from their competitors is a the sameâ€”with more than just a pretty process modeler and execution engine in the toolbox, an organization can really deploy applications that allow them to change and improve their business&nbsp;faster.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work and the insightful&nbsp;blog!</p>
<p>Phil</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-980331</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny,

Thanks for the validation, very much appreciated.

I&#039;ll reach out to other Commercial Open Source companies.

Let&#039;s get the word out.

Best regards
-Ismael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny,</p>
<p>Thanks for the validation, very much&nbsp;appreciated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll reach out to other Commercial Open Source&nbsp;companies.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get the word&nbsp;out.</p>
<p>Best regards<br />&nbsp;-Ismael</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Gosain</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-980290</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Gosain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismael,

I can back you up on the sustainable business model of having the Enterprise Edition (as a subscription) with access to source code. It fosters freedom from vendor locking, and though the annual maintenance cost (including upgrades) remains competitive with proprietary systems, the TCO as an NPV is remarkably lower.

We&#039;ve inculcated and weaved a similar model with Compiere, with tangible success. We don&#039;t believe in crippling the Open Source Edition either, neither do we believe in offering every aspect of software for free (pure definition of &lt;a href=&quot;http://opensource.org/docs/osd&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Open Source&lt;/a&gt;), but we do believe in a sustainable profitable model that continues to foster innovation from the OEM standpoint (subscription license &amp; maintenance revenue), and provides freedom from vendor locking from the customer&#039;s standpoint (read full access to source code with distribution limitations).

Though this model may not apply to all industries and types of applications, it&#039;s applicable to most enterprise applications. I&#039;m sure this model will continue to evolve and tweaks will be necessary, but it is reasonably optimal for contemporary times. I&#039;m reassured to learn about our synergistic thoughts on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismael,</p>
<p>I can back you up on the sustainable business model of having the Enterprise Edition (as a subscription) with access to source code. It fosters freedom from vendor locking, and though the annual maintenance cost (including upgrades) remains competitive with proprietary systems, the <span class="caps">TCO</span> as an <span class="caps">NPV</span> is remarkably&nbsp;lower.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve inculcated and weaved a similar model with Compiere, with tangible success. We don&#8217;t believe in crippling the Open Source Edition either, neither do we believe in offering every aspect of software for free (pure definition of <a href="http://opensource.org/docs/osd" rel="nofollow">Open Source</a>), but we do believe in a sustainable profitable model that continues to foster innovation from the <span class="caps">OEM</span> standpoint (subscription license <span class="amp">&amp;</span> maintenance revenue), and provides freedom from vendor locking from the customer&#8217;s standpoint (read full access to source code with distribution&nbsp;limitations).</p>
<p>Though this model may not apply to all industries and types of applications, it&#8217;s applicable to most enterprise applications. I&#8217;m sure this model will continue to evolve and tweaks will be necessary, but it is reasonably optimal for contemporary times. I&#8217;m reassured to learn about our synergistic thoughts on this&nbsp;issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-979745</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Absolutely! As you might know, we&#039;ve integrated Drools (aka JBoss Rules) into our platform and developed a very cool business rules editor for it in Eclipse. Next step is to add Drool&#039;s CEP and ESP support.

-Ismael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Absolutely! As you might know, we&#8217;ve integrated Drools (aka JBoss Rules) into our platform and developed a very cool business rules editor for it in Eclipse. Next step is to add Drool&#8217;s <span class="caps">CEP</span> and <span class="caps">ESP</span>&nbsp;support.</p>
<p>-Ismael</p>
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		<title>By: K. Chris Sotudeh</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-979740</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Chris Sotudeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and vision, as always, Ismael! One question for you: Do you see CEP (Complex Event Processing) as a part of the capabilities of Intalio 2.0?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and vision, as always, Ismael! One question for you: Do you see <span class="caps">CEP</span> (Complex Event Processing) as a part of the capabilities of Intalio&nbsp;2.0?</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Ghalimi</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-979732</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Ghalimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated.

-Ismael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words, much&nbsp;appreciated.</p>
<p>-Ismael</p>
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		<title>By: Tomoaki Sawada</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-979701</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomoaki Sawada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismael,

We are all very much looking forward to an exciting Japan User Conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismael,</p>
<p>We are all very much looking forward to an exciting Japan User&nbsp;Conference.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Armasu</title>
		<link>http://itredux.com/2008/09/26/intalio-20/comment-page-1/#comment-979549</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Armasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismael:

With your crystal clear vision and strategy, and your seemingly inexhaustible energy and enthusiasm, you will make this endeavor a great success, and Intalio a great company. All along helping us all with your vision and efforts promoting Office 2.0 an Extreme Productivity.

Thank you and best wishes,

Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismael:</p>
<p>With your crystal clear vision and strategy, and your seemingly inexhaustible energy and enthusiasm, you will make this endeavor a great success, and Intalio a great company. All along helping us all with your vision and efforts promoting Office 2.0 an Extreme&nbsp;Productivity.</p>
<p>Thank you and best&nbsp;wishes,</p>
<p>Ryan</p>
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