Comments on: BPM is Process Engineering http://itredux.com/2008/11/28/bpm-is-process-engineering/ New Rules for a New IT World Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:42:55 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Francis Ip http://itredux.com/2008/11/28/bpm-is-process-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-1038534 Francis Ip Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:32:52 +0000 http://itredux.com/?p=913#comment-1038534 Ismael, Process engineering has been around for decades in Chemical Engineering practice, Petroleum Engineering in particular. Petroleum engineers did not use computers in their production of petroleum products. They did organize the production activities in light of process though. Software engineering is just a more disciplined application of computer science. Don't forget that computer is just a super fast dumb machine that replicates human mistakes a lot faster! Ismael,

Process engineering has been around for decades in Chemical Engineering practice, Petroleum Engineering in particular.

Petroleum engineers did not use computers in their production of petroleum products. They did organize the production activities in light of process though.

Software engineering is just a more disciplined application of computer science. Don’t forget that computer is just a super fast dumb machine that replicates human mistakes a lot faster!

]]> By: Randy Herring http://itredux.com/2008/11/28/bpm-is-process-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-1008663 Randy Herring Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:13:29 +0000 http://itredux.com/?p=913#comment-1008663 I agree with your comments on the loss of discipline in software engineering today. I am a software engineer from the mainframe era. Too many business leaders believe the myth that anyone can do programming. It may be easy with today's tools to program. But complex, mission critical business systems require software engineering, not just programming. You are correct that BPM systems also require engineering. The notion that you can build these critical software systems with the cheapest outsourced programmers on the planet is a mistaken one. I agree with your comments on the loss of discipline in software engineering today. I am a software engineer from the mainframe era. Too many business leaders believe the myth that anyone can do programming. It may be easy with today’s tools to program. But complex, mission critical business systems require software engineering, not just programming. You are correct that BPM systems also require engineering. The notion that you can build these critical software systems with the cheapest outsourced programmers on the planet is a mistaken one.

]]> By: Alexander Samarin http://itredux.com/2008/11/28/bpm-is-process-engineering/comment-page-1/#comment-999927 Alexander Samarin Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:09:36 +0000 http://itredux.com/?p=913#comment-999927 I would be more comfortable with considering BPM as architecting (e.g. to define what users can do with processes without systematic involvement of IT), while the development of executable business processes is certainly some kind of engineering. But without commonly agreed terminology and a commonly agreed reference model, it is too early to compare BPM with the aerospace industry. Thanks, -AS I would be more comfortable with considering BPM as architecting (e.g. to define what users can do with processes without systematic involvement of IT), while the development of executable business processes is certainly some kind of engineering. But without commonly agreed terminology and a commonly agreed reference model, it is too early to compare BPM with the aerospace industry.

Thanks,
 -AS

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